I am writing this article not for me to be viewed as a chauvinist but out of compassion for the struggle that the female gender is staring in the name of feminism. Lets begin with the functionality of gender in the society. God has created two genders with individual social responsibilities. They have their own chemical, biological and hence physical limitations on each other. A man is not given the physical ability to reproduce while he is capable of more strenuous work. The "equality of the genders" needs to be an understanding that comes through education and not through a social mob struggle.

By fighting for the so called rights, I pity the women who are doubling their efforts of existence. They cannot dispense their motherly instincts. At some point of time they need a man in their life. They need to think about a family as a conviction for a social living. Having said that about women, I also stress the need for a women in a man's life. The man needs her more than a woman needs him. The existence is mutual. No one is superior to the other.

I do not say that women should not go to school. Education is the only means that people can understand the idea of equality. The priority is what matters. For a women, and her smooth living , the social responsibility needs more attention than her corporate personality. A women in social responsibility fills the position of her partner's mother to pour affection, a sibling that can understand his anger vents and above all be a good partner too. When the adaptation needs quite a substantial amount of time, the smoothness of the operation is hindered by the choice of pursuing corporate goals. Is it not double work now for the women? Work for a company and work for the family...? The struggle seems to me like a means of escaping family responsibility more than struggle for equality.

I see the "career" women affecting the society in two ways. They will not be satisfied with equality. They ask for more. A female manager in the Fortune #7 looks for a partner in Fortune #1.As an effect, not only have they contributed to the increase in competition towards the survival of the fittest but have mounted more pressure on the the more responsible gender of the society. The other aspect is their neglect of the social responsibility that soon vents out as frustration. From the aspect of the males, they need to view it as a responsibility to house a family and not restrict the freedom of his dependents. Its difficult but I perceive it smoother than the struggle.

There is one understanding and everything else will fall in place.

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sajhauser,
exactly my point! A smart man would MOST definitely look for smart ladies. Alas! only if they existed.

Rythm,
Well, nice to know that you have cousins and they work too? LOL. And their kids are happy as well? hmm...double surprise for me then! Hats off to them. I wonder if they work in fortune 1 or fortune 0. LOL.

And how sad that you don't have kids! Are you looking for some, right now? LOL. You better get ready to get fired from work, if you are looking for kids. Good luck!

Don.Corleone can do nothing but laugh and call others kid or what ever. But he doesn't know that he's dumb :D... he knows how much his ego is being hurt rt now :) but he pretends..by laughing...sorry Don...my sympathies....

if smart women don't exist for you, you have choice to be gay...or remain unmarried...who cares :D

Thanks for letting me know what I am. And moreover you know that I am hurt too. Now that is what it takes for someone who is close to me to know. LOL. Thanks for the concern.

And you have options as well for me. How nice of you! That is exactly what I am thinking. A smart gay partner would be much more better than a dumb woman. Thanks for the suggestion.

"exactly my point! A smart man would MOST definitely look for smart ladies. Alas! only if they existed"

:O NO u did not!! DAMN... now you are an official stereotypical male chauvinist in my list. I thought you were just an opinionated man looking for a good argument. Sorry my fault.. shoulda known a barbaric MALE when i saw one!

Yes!

Good arguments, only if I were offered with one or only if your 2 cents were more worthy. Looks like someone is at ":@" state without any rhyme or reason.

I would have liked to post more only if I thought I was talking to someone worthy talking to. Someone who boasts his own superiority and looks down at all others is not worthy. Have a good day sir!

"personally, i would love to see/meet a woman who could slap on my face for slapping on their cheeks (not literally, but with actions). This is what 21st century equal society is about"
i don't know if you believe the $hit you say, but one thing is for sure: you are here soley for the attention and controversy ..from the ladies. and hey, you got some. so why you stilll stuck with the same ghantaaa??

some one who has who has worked in different continents india, sri lanka, europe and america would have too little time in their hands and with that kind of work experience, would be too mat ure, to come here and try to flare up a very superficial argument about women. i dont know you have worked in these places, but you sure sound like you have worked in saudi arabia.

yesterday i almost wrote a paragraph refuting your argument, but then i decided not to post it, coz i would be the second loser here. why put the effort? its not a genuine debate... murkha sanga daiba dare bhanne ukhan cha.

In Mensa, men outnumber women 2:1. The smartest woman is probably not as smart as the smartest man. From this, it follows that everybody has a soulmate. However, from what I have gathered, an average woman is slightly smarter than an average man. If you go up the IQ ladder, the dearth of women with high IQ becomes evident. I do accede that a lot of it has to do with discrimination, but even to this day, there are more males winning Nobel prizes than women. Why is this the case?
Having said that, I do think that there are soulmates for everybody. There are so many things that come into play though. One would be one's social status. If you're an affluent guy, you can settle down with any woman on the planet, period. Parents may complain for a while, but you're a man and you can do anything you want. If you're an affluent woman, on the other hand, your choices are quite restricted, given the fact that most men do not want to do anything with someone richer than them. So what's left is to climb the social ladder. The exception that I can name right off the top of my head is prophet Mohammed, of course. I am just generalizing here. What I said is not the rule, but it makes a lot of sense.
In this day and age, men and women both have to work, unless you're already from a very affluent khandan. Here's the deal. I have a remote control, and nobody touches it except me. I am the master of my domain, and I sure as hell don't like women transgressing on my personal space. Catch my drift? If I like watching M*A*S*H, shut your piehole and do not touch the remote.

Once again, I think that there is not much of a difference between a middle class man and a middle class woman. Most of you may be seth ko chorachoris in Nepal, but in America, you're just another average person.

Vito Carleone,

First of all, thank you very much for posting the most sensible posting I have seen in a while. :)...

To address what you are saying, yes, I think women fighting for their corporate rights do indeed bring onto themselves the 'double work'. Especially amongst us, who tend to still live 'the asian way of life' despite living abroad. For instance, women come home from work , and do cook for their family. (men do too- but generally, its the women ). It is indeed double work when you look at this that way. Why then fight for feminism you say? I think its a mere reaction to the 1000 year of supression we women faced before. Besides, the social structure is changing. Look at how most people live- one person's income cannot send the children through college. I think its the necessity as well and not simply because we are blindly following our corporate goals. If given a choice, I am sure a lot of women would want to work, at maybe for a few years, take a break from the career to look after the children, and perhaps return back to work. However, the corporate world makes it impossible for a mother who has taken a 5 yr break to return back to their same position, and the grounds are? NO RECENT EXPERIENCE. I think its issues like these that we - the women- fight for in the corporate world....

About MEN- (except for a few jerks) have been extremely supportive of their wives working. We find many guys wanting their wives to work, and to be of equal support to the family. After all, a couple should be the pillar of support to each other. And I applaud men for having taken the change into "equal right" with such positivity.


MERELY AN OPINION !

I am looking forward to using Windows Vista. I am sure it will have 200 new bugs but it will also have 200 new features which may solve 100s of my existing problems. One may argue that Windows 3.1 was better because it was more stable, required less RAM and took less hard drive space. But again, Windows 3.1 cannot install Internet Explorer 6.0 or play DVDs either.

Different women embrace their career for different reasons. For some it may be a source of income to support their family, for some it may be a hobby or a passion, and for some it may be a reason to fullfill their ambition and prove their worthiness. In any case, they are contributing something positive to the society and a nation's economy.
A career woman may be intimidating to many men but once you understand how to communicate, share tasks and responsibilities, she will be an exciting companion. With two paychecks, you can plan a trip to Europe or Bahamas sooner than you would do with a single paycheck.

The theory of evolution will come into play when rearing-up your children while both parents are working. Unless you believe in intelligent design, your kids will be fine playing with robots and Baby Einstien toys. You can hire a career man or woman who is trained to operate day care center. If you are still concerned, then both parents may decide to take some time off from work and spend time with kids. As evolution will certainly come into effect, the kids in 2020 will be weirder than those in 1980 but will also be smarter and geekier than those in 1980s. The definition of "good kids" today may be very different in 2040.

An instructions manual may be required to operate Windows Vista because it is very different than Windows XP. It is almost the same difference between Windows 3.1 and Windows 95. One thing I noticed about Windows Vista beta version is that it asks a lot of questions which start with "Are you sure you want to.......?" Are there any instruction manuals written about how to communicate with a career woman?
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P.S. Apple users may replace Windows Vista with Mac Leopard.

Looks like I have hurt some souls out there by opening this little controversial thread.

Rythm,
I have no intention to boast and show off, I was/am looking for good counter arguments. If I am wrong, prove that I am wrong. I will admit. I don't have any ego problem.

Lfc123,
You seem to have prejudices about those nepali men who work in Arab countries. It should be understood that no one is trying to play an attention seeking game. Looks like you are better off in it. However, I like to be non-judgmental with my opinion and expect the same from others.

Rudra Prasad,
You have raised some interesting points. However, let's not delve into the "who is smarter" stuffs. It's gross and unhealthy. This thread itself has raised enough controversy and offense.

Girl_Interrupted,
I am glad that at least there is one woman who can think with some conviction and rationality. I liked some of the points that you have raised. Of course "equality" is important. Everyone (male and female) is better of in an equitable society. No doubt!

You wrote:
"There are plenty of men who work just for the namesake too, isnit it? "

--I agree. But I am just talking about the ratio. How many men work for reason (for a real support to the family) and how many women work just for the sake of getting engaged in sth?

--I fully agree with you on the underprivileged woman issues. Surely, they deserve equal oppurtunity to let them prosper.

--I also agree with you on the point that women should be given a chance to payback to the society. And of course, they can work after their kids are grown up.

In fact, I have already said, women should work together with men in harmony and synergy. What I have failed to perceive is the difference in the efficiencies between an average woman and an average man that they are able to put on the same work.

1) I would love not to buy any biological explanation at this point. I don't thing there is anything like "borne inteliigence" "or borne supremacy" kind of things.

2) I have simply atttributed that to the fact that average women are, by nature, better at social stuffs than at corporate jobs. Of course, excpetions are there.

3) I am not saying that men can take that as an excuse to keep themselves away from their social and family responsibilities.

4) I am not saying that women should work as a housemaid either.

5) I am just trying to justify the nature's offerings to human beings by letting woman not to become too ambitious in career and giving men more options to be agressive at his career front. Both can work in both, of course!

6) Exceptions are always possible. There are families where woman work and men look after household tasks. Let it be. I am not objecting that.

7)Women of this century are aggressive. It's more because they have been suppressed in the past. However, everyone should know their limitations. How many dynamic career oriented women have firm family status? Something to think about. If they are happy with it, all is well. And it's not only because of men. Men, by nature are not the masters of household stuffs. Again, exceptions are avaliable. But, let's talk in general.

However, my analysis should kindle interest on those women who want to lead a dynamic career and maintain a healthy family bond at the same time. Theretically, it's possible. Practically, very few have emerged as successful in both. Something to think about, innit?

i had promised myself no more repsonses, but i have to divulge this. i swear it is my last response to you.
nepalis working in saudi arabia and elsehwere are the ones still keeping us alive. i have enormous amount of respect for themi said so because saudi arabia does not encourage women to work, so i thought you may have picked up your ideology from there, u know when you made one of your enterprenial trips there.....

" My advice to women, work but work in low profile and give more time to the family and society where most of them are good at." Don these were your words.

I hve another equation that you, who have worked in Europe, may understand even better. Man works hard at home and work + woman works had at home and work = success at marriage + raising family.

oops I forgot about the "which part of Europe" did you actually work in question but never mind, since you want to talk about theory and practice. What I suggest is theory and I know there are very few men who can practice that.

I have one question, what is it you are trying to say? I think you sound pretty confused.

Despo_girl,

You go girl! You spoke what I have been reiterating since yesterday. Of course, both men and women should work. However, as I have explained in my last post, a rather ambitious coporate goals for women may well set back their dreams of a healthy family status.

And all men (morons and non-morons) should keep contributing to the family and societal responsibilities. However, they should give the first priority to their career.

As I said, it's all about right person in the right place. If woman can compete in coporate world and man is good at household stuffs, they may well switch their tasks.

Good evening you all!

Suna is right. However, I don't like the idea that women do all the household chores, while men sit ensconced in their comfy sofas. Perhaps this is true for Nepalis, but here in the US, women and men share household chores, at least from my experience. Hell, my boss' wife can't cook, and my boss does all the cooking at home. And she has a PhD in Biochemistry. Another guy I know is a "housewife". While the wife is making hundreds ouf thousands of dollars, the man sits home and takes care of their children. Whatever works.
I have come to the conclusion that this topic sucks! If you think about it, it doesn't make any sense.

people are just makin an issue out of it.
it just depends on the family, the husband can stay home and wife can go to work or the opposite, it doesnt really matter, but we know what you're trying to say! you want women to give more time to her family rather than working but you could refer this in YOUR family, you know!

Some women work cuz they need money, some cuz they get bored of staying home, some cuz their husbands want them to work.. givin more time to the family really depends on her choice, its not like you make a rule for it but we appreciate your thoughts, too!

supposedly god father (O:,
now this ain't old italy is it? where beautiful broad were targeted and their purpose were to rear children (O:;

on a serious note:
1. if you want to have unbiased discussion then u need to keep open mind. "mero goru ko barah takka garera. using dubios statement does not foster a healthy discussion"

even more serious note ma chhai:
Don.Corlene I am very much offended by your statement " Most of the women don't make a good career person." BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR INCLUSION OF SOCIO INFLUENCE "The trend is more prominent in south asia which is understandable since our culture demands more from women in the social and family front. "

some where u mentioned that you have worked in south-asia notably 3 countries. us, canada and some where.

i do not know what kind of work you do or what class of people are your observing. But in my experience.. which is notably less than yours but women are more loyal and good @ their work. Whether its a management position or a minimum wage job. I have/had employed women... @ a minimum wage job and have seen them performing better than their male counter-part who were most of the time checking out their co-workers or customers. Now if you talk about high tech industry. i have a female director. she is actually better versed than the old hag i had @ my previous company. yes, in technical [meaning engineering] work they might be a little bit behind. but thats because of the ratio. i.e. number of females in the program. if you actually sample your data on the same number i am sure you would find even more dumber men.

I think you would need to look beyond and accept females as more of a counter-part rather than inferior gender... [ which tend to reflect in your assesment/argument]

one thing is for sure, they are dedicated bunch and that's the impression i have. director i work for she is @ work 6am and leaves around 9pm.. she has a daughter who is right now about to go to college. how she manages .. i do not know. but she is technically sound as any ppl in her level... and this is not an exception.
[ one thing for sure is males tend to make more noise and females tend to get their work done .. one way or the other. but i have seen they are very good/productive in manufacturing jobs..that demands preciseness.. like making watches] this actually proves that they are more focused and if you look @ your so called researches you would know that it is true.

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as always what do i know (O:

L@#o kha McChikens....