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Posted on 09-05-06 6:57 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am writing this article not for me to be viewed as a chauvinist but out of compassion for the struggle that the female gender is staring in the name of feminism. Lets begin with the functionality of gender in the society. God has created two genders with individual social responsibilities. They have their own chemical, biological and hence physical limitations on each other. A man is not given the physical ability to reproduce while he is capable of more strenuous work. The "equality of the genders" needs to be an understanding that comes through education and not through a social mob struggle.

By fighting for the so called rights, I pity the women who are doubling their efforts of existence. They cannot dispense their motherly instincts. At some point of time they need a man in their life. They need to think about a family as a conviction for a social living. Having said that about women, I also stress the need for a women in a man's life. The man needs her more than a woman needs him. The existence is mutual. No one is superior to the other.

I do not say that women should not go to school. Education is the only means that people can understand the idea of equality. The priority is what matters. For a women, and her smooth living , the social responsibility needs more attention than her corporate personality. A women in social responsibility fills the position of her partner's mother to pour affection, a sibling that can understand his anger vents and above all be a good partner too. When the adaptation needs quite a substantial amount of time, the smoothness of the operation is hindered by the choice of pursuing corporate goals. Is it not double work now for the women? Work for a company and work for the family...? The struggle seems to me like a means of escaping family responsibility more than struggle for equality.

I see the "career" women affecting the society in two ways. They will not be satisfied with equality. They ask for more. A female manager in the Fortune #7 looks for a partner in Fortune #1.As an effect, not only have they contributed to the increase in competition towards the survival of the fittest but have mounted more pressure on the the more responsible gender of the society. The other aspect is their neglect of the social responsibility that soon vents out as frustration. From the aspect of the males, they need to view it as a responsibility to house a family and not restrict the freedom of his dependents. Its difficult but I perceive it smoother than the struggle.

There is one understanding and everything else will fall in place.
 
Posted on 09-06-06 8:16 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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thapap, you're one cute guy :D

greatest of the chefs are men. who says men are not good in kitchen??? i guess it's the stereo-typical persona who would said that.

It is proven that women are more of "multi-tasker" than men. It maybe the reason why women can handle the household chaos after having kids. But there are jobs in field that requires one to be a multi-tasker, a good communicator. A manager who can handle multiple chaos. Why a secretary is almost always a female? I don't think the position was meant to be solely for a female.
 
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I knew this topic's gonna invite me loads of criticism, but I did not care and dared to post what I thought is "true".

Suna,
Your equation is an ideal one. I don't see no bias or constants or other functional or control variables. How I wished it was true or worked good. As for the confusion is concerned, it's all because of you. You are not ready to accept the practical truth. I know it hurts. It does hurt me.

thapap,
Well, I respect your sentiment. But, having said that, I must also say that I see in you, a mere sympathizer who is shattered by the chauvinistic looking scientific remarks that my analysis has put forth. I can only pity on you.

"Most of the women don't make a good career person."
--I don't understand what is so offending about this remark? I said "most", not all. And I have already explained at least five times why it tends to be true.

"some where u mentioned that you have worked in south-asia notably 3 countries. us, canada and some where. i do not know what kind of work you do or what class of people are your observing"
--I don't feel the necessity of clarifying this.

"I have/had employed women... @ a minimum wage job and have seen them performing better than their male counter-part who were most of the time checking out their co-workers or customers."
--I am not talking about hanky panky jobs that are very less challenging.

"Now if you talk about high tech industry. i have a female director. she is actually better versed than the old hag i had @ my previous company"
--I am not talking about any individual. Moreover, what is the scale/unit of "better versed"?

"i have. director i work for she is @ work 6am and leaves around 9pm.. she has a daughter who is right now about to go to college. how she manages."
--FYI, this again contributes nothing to the debate. First off, it's just one case. Secondly, her kids are grown up already to take care of their own responsibilities.
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I have been reading comments since last two days, but none has come up with a seemingly plausible and scientific approach to counter my arguments. Rather than venting anger and challenging my status, it would be nice of anyone to come up with analytical arguments.

Young ladies have nothing to say other than "see what i am gonna do, and i willl tell you" kind of arguments. LOL.
Some so called mature ladies and gentleman have nothing to say other than "Look at him and look at her". LOL

Phew!! Seems like, I am done with sajha.

Homework for anyone, if interested:
Do the research survey on:
1) Newly married career oriented women (with/out infants) and ask them how do you maintain a balance between household chores and corporate responsibilties. Are you happy with what you have been doing.

2) Newly married men and ask them if they are happy with their career oriented wives.

3) Kids of those couple. Ask them how much they miss their mom and how much they miss their dad.

4)Ask the divorced career women about the reason behind their break ups.

That's it!
 
Posted on 09-06-06 10:20 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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"none has come up with a seemingly plausible and scientific approach to counter my arguments"
what makes you think your argumetns are "plausible" and take a "scientific appraoch"??!! it is not even an argument to begin with. it is a opinionated piece. there is nothing to argue...you think career women hurt society, career women cannot juggle family and work, career women this career women that, career women threaten men, bla blah....what is there to argue?
plus this is not an argument kind of topic. whether nepal needs a monarchy or not can be debated, but whther career women hurt a soceity or not or working women can handle thier responsibilities or not is just toooooooooo vauge, there are infinate number of factors invovled and basically, every case is unique. you cannot make generalization about these matters of personal lives.

"chauvinistic looking scientific remarks"
show me one peice of sceince. you claimed you have "research" to back it up. it is not your opinion that i detest, it is the fact that it is just wild assumptions that you have absolutely no back ups for. present the research that you claim you have. can ya?
 
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IFC i have one question for you:
You have excellent career but due to which your family is breaking apart ..would you choose Family or career?????
It is individual choice i agree..but ..WHO SHOULD SACRIFICE for the family??Hard question this is debatable.
 
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imi,
expalin to me how would one's career cause his/her family to break apart??!! what is the connection??! but lets say tehre is a remote connection. my family hates me because i go to work every morning, because i don't stay in my room and cook for them and because i bring an extra unneeded income to the family...well i will try to convince them. i cannot give up either. i cant'. if they decide that they will disown me because i go to work, then i will stay home.

however, you men seem to believe that high profile career or career oriented women cause families to break apart, they cannot handle responsibilities etc? whilst traditional housewives who stay home and look after thier children automatically implies a wonderful family life, good mother, great household ..so on and so forth.
i have not done research on this, but here is what i think: tradtionally women were under men's bondage. taht is still the case in most of third world countires, including nepal. they are socially, economically and even psychologically depedent on thier male counterparts. Therefore, they are/were forced to be the silent bearers of everything, even if their husbands beat them up, use profane language, etc etc. tehy were expected to take that all siltenly and they still do. it was not because they were wonderful housewives, creating harmony in teh family, but because they did not have a choice. if they fought with thier husbands, what would happen to them? if tehy went to their maitas, they cannot stay there for too long, neighbors begin talking,....there are many social costs to pay for if a woman refuses to be silent and take actions against her husbands. sure occassional fights are a part of any marraige whether that involves career women or not, but these women who just stay at home and work for thier families did not really ahve much of choice other than to be submissive.
on teh other hand, career women are more indepedent in every retrospect. so perhaps, they are more outspoken, and can afford to speak out against thier husband and even his family, even need be it. it is not because she cannot juggle two responsiblities at once??? where is the evidence to prove that??

but again, like i said before, every marraige is unique.
 
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lfc123,
I thought you succumbed to the pressure of heat from my arguments. LOL

Anyways, here are some readings for you for the rest of the evening.

- http://in.rediff.com/getahead/2006/aug/25msg.htm

- http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/pm/career/archives/dont-marry-a-career-woman-11332

and this one:

"However, men and women continue to have different attitudes about their efforts to achieve a work/life balance. Balancing work and family life affects the hours people are willing to work, their choice of position, and their career goals. In the ACS study, men are more likely than women to say that balancing family and work had no effect on their careers--35% of men say it had no effect compared with 28% of women. Both men and women indicate that balancing work and family affected the hours they were willing to work and their choice of position and career goals. However, in balancing work and family, 47% of women compared with 39% of men say the number of hours they work was affected."


- http://pubs.acs.org/cen/employment/8114/8114employment.html
 
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IFC,
i am not saying ..those wierd stuff neither i think woman are inferior..There are great qualities of woman ..And most important being ..motherly nature..can a man achieve this???I think i have to disagree.Infact woman are stronger ..they can act like DAD and mom both but man cannot.By nature Man are bread winner of the family and woman care taker because she is good at it..
I am not saying men shouldn't share the responsibility in this changing social responsibilities but trust me Men sucks at it!
Now , A family is equaly important aspect of people's life.. so..kids are not getting enough care.. family is getting scattered away..and men can't do it because they aren't really good at it and woman is busy building her career in such circumstances ,Shouldn't woman sacrifice???

Also, men have super high ego( you can say ..lower down the ego) ..They should ..but Does that happen ????Very rare ..so what happens when Two ego clashes..Family breaks..

why is there less divorce rate in east than west???yes there are other reasons but you cannot deny the fact that woman are more family orientated who brings together the whole family.Gender role is changing but Don't absoultely deny that this trend is brings other problems in the society.You don't need statics or data ..just observe in your friend and family circle...that should be sufficent enough information to analyze this.
 
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dude
succumb re. pressure of heat from your arguments. you are not here to argue, please. you are here to show how brilliant you are. and don't this is a goddamn anonymous website!! i dont' know u and u don't know me. so what is the big deal? but then agian, u r here to please urself, so whatever makes yu happy. i will look into the sites now. aba ta i will reallyyy stop commenting. good night!

imi,
i have not researched into this, and i hate to make generalizations about anything. and i dont' want to argue either. if you think women should sacrifice, go ahead and ask your sacrifice your wife and your daughter to give up thier dreams and ambitions. ask them to stay home. see if they are willing to do taht...if that is not realistic, then why do you expect everyone else to make the sacrifice?
i dont' know and i dont' have the answers to your qeustions because i still belive every case is unique and as for shifting gender roles, yes that will change soceitiy inevitable. for better or worse, we have yet to see.
good night!
 
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LOL...

I don't understand why women feel so pissed off at most of the times without any rhyme and reason. The sites that I have quoted are not fake or cheezy ones. One of them is ACS-- AMERICAN CHEMICAL SOCIETY.

And I ain't boasting. I don't know what does knowing ourselves in person has to do with the arguments.

Phew....
 
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ignore the *at in my last post.

Good night guys

I am outta here. It's not worth anyways.
 
Posted on 09-07-06 12:25 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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somone brought the point of Europe ,
In France, men still benefit from privileges inherited from long-standing tradition :
For equal work, they still earn 20% more than women.
Men assume only 20% of household tasks and caring for children, the ill and the elderly in families.
They hold 90% of the seats in Parliament.
Male violence is not even called just that. It is part of the established order in our patriarchal society, to such an extent that it goes unseen. Yet, at least two million men in this country beat their wives or girlfriends.

"Male chauvinism kills every day, feminism has never killed anyone." (Benoît Groult)

and I find the following article somewhat interesting as well
Don were U inspired by the following article and started your research or is it just the coincidence!
Thursday, August 24, 2006
Don't marry career women
That's the advice Forbes.com's Michael Noer gives to men in a controversial web column (published here, along with an unconvincing rebuttal by a female colleague who found his piece "frightening.") Noer cites a number of social-science studies finding that two-career marriages are more likely to be unhappy and troubled than traditional arrangements. Writes Noer:


While everyone knows that marriage can be stressful, recent studies have found professional women are more likely to get divorced, more likely to cheat, less likely to have children, and, if they do have kids, they are more likely to be unhappy about it. A recent study in Social Forces, a research journal, found that women--even those with a "feminist" outlook--are happier when their husband is the primary breadwinner.


Elizabeth Corcoran doesn't try to refute the statistics, but only asserts that she and her husband have raised two kids in a happy marriage of 18 years. Well, okay, but that only means that the Corcorans beat the odds, which are stacked against couples like them.

Noer admits that these findings can be hard on career men to take, because they're naturally drawn to the intellectual excitement of being around career women. From my experience, that's true. But see, I'm lucky: I married an educated, intellectual career girl who wanted to leave the workforce to look after the children when they begin coming along. From my experience -- and I write about this in "Crunchy Cons" -- I can't imagine the stress that would be on my family if Julie had a standard job. And seeing how much it matters to our boys (and yes, to their father) that there's a mom at home with the kids, keeping things in order, cooking, taking them to karate, etc. -- well, I can't imagine how different our lives together, and yes, how relatively impoverished they would be, if Julie were a salaried employee instead of a stay-at-home mom.

In "Crunchy Cons," I quote Julie explaining why she had "no doubts at all" that she would leave the career world to raise kids:


"My mom was home with us till I was fifteen, and then she went back to work because she had to. She was really involved with everything we did in school. Once she went back to work, I saw the massive difference, all the stress she was under trying to work and do the same things for us kids." she said. "As a mother myself, I can look back and see how often my brother and I asked way more of her than we should have. As the child, I experience the stress it placed on us, and was old enough to see the stress it placed on her as a mother, and I didn't want any part of either one."


Julie said that the only thing that separated her, a New York City career girl in her twenties choosing to leave work to be a stay-at-home mom, and all the other women like her, was faith.


"I was lucky that I met the man I was meant to marry early on, and I always had total confidence that our marriage was going to work. I wonder sometimes if a lot of women who work are doing it because they worry that their husbands won't be there for them. This is where faith comes in. I have faith in you because we share the same vision of what life is all about."


What she meant was that she knew that I believed, as she did, that marriage is forever, and that we both shared the same traditionalist convictions about how a family should work. So neither one of us had unrealistic expectations, and both of us thought of the family as an organism, not a contract arrangement. In the end, we choose to live traditionally because we are convinced that that's what's best for our children, which is the main point of marriage: to do right by the kids. Because we do the best we can within our means to put our kids and their needs first, it becomes relatively easy to make this arrangement work.

I'm really lucky that I ended up with a woman who is interested in many of the same things I am, and who loves to read and talk about books and ideas. So I don't have the trade-off that Noer sees, namely between an intellectually engaging career woman, and a boring homemaker. In fact, we know lots of traditionalist young couples in which the wife stays home to look after the kids, and in every case the woman is the intellectual equal of her husband. That Noer even thinks in terms of this (false) dichotomy betrays a commonly-held bias about modernity: that the more educated and intellectually advanced you are, the less interested you are bound to be in traditional social arrangements, traditional religion, and so forth. It may well be true as a statistical matter, at least in the US, but it isn't a Law of Existence. Quite a few educated men and women have used their smarts to discern that our ancestors really were on to something, and that what we take to be progress is actually regressive in important ways. Besides, as Daniel Larison sensibly asks, putting things into perspective, "Are we talking about creating a marriage and a family, or are we setting up a debating society?"
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Posted on 09-07-06 3:55 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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One+one makes a family
Growing numbers of single American women are adopting children in the US and abroad.

By Marilyn Gardner | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

Jeanne Becker always assumed she would have a satisfying career and a family.
But while her career in marketing and public relations progressed steadily, marriage proved elusive. A long-term relationship ended when she was in her late 30s, forcing her to confront a hard question: What should she do about starting a family?

"I gave it about a year's worth of thought," says Ms. Becker, president of Becker Consulting Services in Coral Gables, Fla. She decided to adopt, beginning an odyssey that would take her far from home. It also put her in league with a growing number of unmarried women who face complex decisions about adopting children alone - decisions that involve everything from finances to child care to cultural differences.

Last year, nearly a third of adoptive parents in the United States were single women, according to the Children's Bureau of the US Department of Health and Human Services.

As these women - a majority in their 30s and 40s, educated and financially secure - reach out to children in the US and abroad, they are forging new territory in the changing landscape of the American family. Many find their divergent path to motherhood deeply rewarding. Yet "arduous" is also a word that comes up in conversations as they describe the adoption process and solo child- rearing.

"Expensive" is another word they use. Costs for international adoption can range from $12,000 to $30,000, averaging between $15,000 and $25,000. A domestic adoption averages $16,000, although expenses can vary widely. A federal tax credit that took effect last year offsets $10,000 in costs for both domestic and international adoptions.

Like many single women, Ms. Becker first hoped to adopt a baby in the US. But after learning that birth mothers favor married couples, she researched China and Russia, the top two countries for overseas adoption. She chose Russia, her father's ancestral homeland, and worked with an agency in New York. Mountains of paperwork were followed by hours with a social worker who conducted a home study.

After the agency approved Becker, she received a "referral," a videotape of a 9-month-old Russian boy. She showed it to several physicians, as well as a speech therapist and a physical therapist. "Everybody gave thumbs up," she says. A Western-trained doctor in Moscow also examined the infant. The exam revealed some minor problems, but nothing major.

Becker made two trips to Russia. The first time she traveled alone to appear in court and to meet the son she would name Ethan.

The second time a friend went with her to bring the 14-month-old child home. Smiling in approval, a Russian judge told her, "Life begins at 40." The whole process took 13 months, a fairly typical time frame.

Another adoptive mother, Darsie Bowden of Skokie, Ill., traveled to China six years ago to adopt an 11-month-old girl, whom she named Elizabeth. As a professor at DePaul University in Chicago, Ms. Bowden needed to find a country that did not require a lengthy stay to pick up a child. "China was very straightforward, and the kids tended to be pretty healthy," she says.

Since then, China has imposed a quota on single women, limiting them to 8 percent of adoptions. Many countries allow only married couples to adopt.

Initially, Bowden shared a nanny with another family. Elizabeth also spent time at a family day-care home. In those early months, Bowden recalls, she was "tired all the time." She also had to adjust her social network. "Some friends are more accommodating than others when you abandon them for a period."

Although she gradually reestablished the network, the process was hard.

She and other single parents emphasize the importance of lining up outside support and including men - grandfathers, uncles, friends - in their children's lives. When Bowden must work in the evening, a friend who is Elizabeth's godfather picks her up. "He adores her and so does his wife. It's a male role that's important for her."

Adoption specialists also encourage parents to establish cultural links with their children's native country. Five of the six families who traveled to China with Bowden live in the Chicago area. They get together often to enjoy Chinese-oriented activities with their daughters. This includes celebrating Chinese New Year and "Gotcha Day," the day they picked up their infants.

When Linda Hill of Pocatello, Idaho, began considering adoption in the mid-1980s, she focused on South American countries that accepted single women. Working with an agency in Texas, she chose Peru. She spent a month there, adopting a 2-month-old daughter in February 1988. But the baby became ill and died a year later.

Ms. Hill, director of admissions counseling at Idaho State University, started over. In May 1990, after three months in Peru, she adopted a 6-month-old girl, named Rosa by her birth father.

"As much as we're emotionally prepared to be a parent, you can never totally comprehend the impact [children are] going to have on your life," Hill says.

Noting that the first adoption cost $15,000, she adds, "I knew I would be in debt for a good part of my life, but I knew why I would be in debt."

For some single women, adoption creates a mixed-race family. Eliana, a professional woman in the San Francisco Bay area who does not want her last name used, adopted a daughter from Haiti in December 2000.

As an older, single white mother with a dark-skinned child, Eliana has become keenly aware of the complexities of transracial adoption. Such matches, she says, "require a lot more thinking, planning, and reflection than would otherwise be the case."

Betsy Burch, executive director of Single Parents for Adoption of Children Everywhere (SPACE) in Boston and the adoptive mother of four black children, now grown, finds a lot of support for adopting transracially. But, she adds, "I don't encourage people to do that who are not certain about it."

Among black women, adoptions tend to be within the US. At the Black Adoption Placement and Research Center in Oakland, Calif., which handles only domestic adoptions, 40 percent of placements are to single black women. Most are professionals between the ages of 30 and 50. Although some of them request babies, executive director Gloria King finds that many are open to adopting 3- to 5-year-olds. Most of the children have special needs.

Other unexpected challenges can come in adopting older children. Agencies caution that the older a child, the longer the adjustment can be. Children who have spent years in orphanages can exhibit what experts call "institutional behavior." Because they have never lived in a family, they do not know what a family structure is.

Although acceptance of solo adoption is growing, many women still face criticism. "There are always objections to single adoptions on ... grounds that children should have two parents of opposite genders," says Hope Marindin, retired director of the National Council for Single Adoptive Parents in Washington. "Ideally, that is the best thing."

But when that is not possible, relatives and friends often show heartwarming support. Julie Asfahl, a marketing consultant with IBM in Boston who is adopting a baby girl from Kazakhstan, describes her family as "thrilled."

Among dozens of people Ms. Asfahl has told, only one or two have questioned it. "People say, 'It's going to change your life for the next 20 years.' I say, 'Not 20 years, for the rest of my life. Good! I've lived my whole life for myself.' "

In both domestic and international adoptions, specialists caution that prospective parents should be clear about what they can accept in terms of a child's race, disabilities, and medically correctable conditions. Says Krissi Bates of Worldadopt.org, "You have to be really honest with yourself about what is OK and what is not OK."

For Elli Holman of Holliston, Mass., single motherhood began with an in-vitro pregnancy and the birth of a daughter, Jessica, now 5. Two years ago, when she was over 40, she adopted a 7-month-old girl from Romania.

Outsiders have been more accepting of Ms. Holman's adoption than they were of her pregnancy. "People are just shocked when you say you're going to go out and have your own baby, as opposed to adopting, which seems to be more natural," she says.

Joan Nicholson of Ojai, Calif., traveled to India in the fall of 2000 to adopt a daughter, Sarita, now 11. Although she had thought about adoption since high school, she says she "couldn't orchestrate it" until decades later. Now, she adds with a laugh, "I'm an exhausted 65."

"It's been glorious to have a child in my life, to see her grow and develop," Ms. Nicholson continues. She describes her daughter as "enormously bright, a natural dancer, a natural comedian, and a budding basketball star." But she is also "very intense."

Speaking of the adoption, Nicholson says, "Two-thirds of it has been joyful. One-third of it has been very arduous."

Joyful and arduous go with the territory of all child-rearing, of course, and these adoptive mothers are quick to emphasize the joys.

"I'd do it again in a second," Bowden says.

Becker agrees. Referring to Ethan, who is now 6, she says, "So many lives are enriched as a result of him coming. I really think he's given me more than I have ever given him. It's not a one-way thing. He's a very special child."

For any single woman considering adoption, Melissa Ludtke, author of "On Our Own," suggests a "reality check." She says: "I'd ask [the prospective mother] about community supports and family supports. Has she ever gone out and priced quality day care, whatever she can afford? Also look into after-school care."

Holman, the mother of two, offers this advice: "Really make sure you can handle it both from a financial and an emotional aspect before you start. You have to be sure you have your backups, and you have to be able to do it yourself. It's the most rewarding thing you'll ever do, but it's also almost the hardest thing you'll ever do."
 
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Don.Corleone said : "My advice to women, work but work in low profile and give more time to the family and society where most of them are good at. "

You make me laugh together with IMI, you know this and that and don't even mind the woman in the work place but they have to be in the kitchen or they should know their place in the workplace which is not to better the males!!!!

The point I'm makeing is you Don are a male chauvinist and trying to fool the masses by agreeing with this and that but unfortunately one sentence already showed your color.

Rational people ( woman and man together ) with keep on TRYING to make this world a just place slowly but surely.... So stop feeding data ( data I think was done to see what better could be done or how to tackle it ) and using it for your cause to go back to were you like it, the stoneage.
 
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" Suna,
Your equation is an ideal one. I don't see no bias or constants or other functional or control variables. How I wished it was true or worked good. As for the confusion is concerned, it's all because of you. You are not ready to accept the practical truth. I know it hurts. It does hurt me."

hehe Don, quit presuming that all the posters here are young thangs.....it's not eutopia. It's getting a man who is man enough to live with a woman who has a career and a family and supports the woman and helps with everything around the house. I live with one so I would know. It is practical - we just need more men to get off their high horses and deal with REALITY and be PRACTICAL!!
 
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Don
You asked a question and I have my personal answer for you

4)Ask the divorced career women about the reason behind their break ups.

a. Being educated, they(the couple) found out that they were not well suited together.
b. The man was having an affair
c. The woman was having an affair
d. The man's or woman's family butted into their affairs
e. The woman could not reproduce so typical of Nepalese folks, they had to divorce so the man could reproduce (in denial that the man could be bhajo)
f. The woman worked hard at work and was expected to make a warm home cooked meal for her husband every night. She got tired of it and wanted a divorce.
g. The man (presuming he is Nepali) expected a woman to do everything and when that was not going to be, considered the woman too career oriented and wanted out.

I could go on but time is of the essence. I would like you to pick one and keep that low opinion to yourself but if you are trying to understand more and learn more, then I think a through g could be possible. Because why did your grandfather hve more than one wife when there was a pretty good one sitting at home having babies and cleaning the house and making food? Because he was career oriented?

hehe
some food for thought.
bujney lai sirikhanda nabujney lai ummmmmmm tei!
 
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o san
edit button chaiyo :)

Because he was career oriented?

read that as

Because SHE was career oriented??
 
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say whoever whatever................. the god created men and women different for some reason that only the god he/she might know....... but the keyword is DIFFERENT...... barabar,thulo sano lamo jasto kura haru ho..... a woman has her responsibility and a man has his...... so thats it and rest is McChickens
 
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Hyperthread,
I wrote this little article a year ago in my not so personal diary. I am excited to know that somebody came up with more research-based article on the same topic few weeks back.

Suna,
I am glad to know that at least you did not turn out to be a young teenybopper, however, your analysis lacks the maturity level that a reader of this thread would expect as in a counter argument. You too resorted to the same idea of "look at me".

While myriad of reasons may be possible behind break-ups of a career women, majority of them boils down to "not having enough time for relationship/husband/spouse/kids". A super ambitious corporate lady would "tend to" enjoy camaraderie with CEOs from other fortune companies than staying idle with her husband/kids and society. While same may apply to men, they are, by nature, more inept as compared to women in handling the household chores and keep the family affinity going. This is a general trend, more so in patriarchal society and culture.

Let me plagiarize a sentence from you:
"I could go on but time is of the essence".

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Mahakal,
I do NOT welcome/appreciate any kind of foul language at least in this thread. Please bear with me.

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Rythm,
I have realized that I was a bit too harsh on you. I am sorry if I hurt you personally, that was not my intention.

To others:
I have a very high regard and respect for women. This thread is just completely based upon my own personal experiences backed up by some offending but real statistics.
 
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Don.Corleone,

you're the dumbest person alive in sajha. Pleople who have brian, see the people with brain. But you don't, which means your brain is not worth tampering with. I have found plenty of men who are "man enough" for me! You're one worthless creature. No, I'm not a young person, I have chaged lives of people for better. And I'm a very straight forward! I don't act diplomatic with people who are not worth my diplomatic time! Like YOU!

Fusing as always :D
 
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your do NOT was loud and clear but does it even look like i care bro. hahahaha..... oh well...... that was my view.....
later
 



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