यो धागोलाई फेरी जीवन दिनु भएकोमा चेली लाइ धन्यबाद ( धन्यबाद त जिते ब्रो ले दिनु पर्ने हो ).  कृष्ण अविरल को लेखले माथि मैले उठाएका चोर लेखकहरु बारे अझ पुष्टि मिलेको छ नै . अविरलजी ले हल्ला सुनेको  र आरोप लागेकाहरुको पनि फेरिहस्त दिनु भएको रहेछ . मेरो बिचारमा शैली नक्कल गर्नु मात्रलाई छोरि भन्नु मिल्दैन . राम्रा लेखक साहित्यकारहरुबाट प्रभावित भएर पनि मौलिक अनि स्तरीय रचना को सिर्जना गर्न सकिन्छ . मात्र आरोप को भर मा पनि कसैको अबमुल्यन गर्न मिल्दैन , शंकाको घेरा मा भने राखे हुन्छ . लेखनाथ पौड्याल को पिजडा को सुगा, रमेश विकल को कथा , नरेन्द्र राज प्रसाईं को (नेपाली कथा को शिर्षक चाही याद भएन "  ओह कितने महान थे " आदि भने चोरिएको प्रमाणित भैसके . तैपनि जीवन परयंत विकल जी स्विकार्नु भएन, लेखनाथ पौड्यालको त मृत्यु पश्चात चोरी प्रमाणित भएको हो भने प्रसाईं जी अझै साहित्यिक पुरस्कारको ठेक्का चलाउदै हुनुहुन्छ र पनि चोरी गरेको स्विकार्नु हुन्न. नेपालीमा एउटा कहावत नै छ " चोरले कहिलेइ आफुलाई चोर भन्छ र ?" .

rahulvai · Apr 16, 2012 12:54 PM

एकजना पाठकले एकजना लेखकलाई जतिसम्म सम्मान दिन सक्छ, शायद त्यतिनै सम्मान दिन्छु म महाकवि देवकोटालाई. उनका कुनै पनि कृतीलाई चोरीका हुन् भन्न लायक न म आज छु, न भविष्यमा कहिल्यै हुने नै छु, तर यहाँहरु कसैले देवकोटाको "गाउंछिन हँसिया गीत" पढ्नु भएको छ ? त्यो देवकोटाको अनुवादित कृतिको  लिस्ट मा पर्छ कि मौलिक ?  Do you also think the poems I have included below sound/look/feel similar ? Last edited: 16-Apr-12 01:46 PM

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cheli · Apr 16, 2012 1:44 PM

The Solitary Reaper Behold her, single in the field, Yon solitary Highland Lass! Reaping and singing by herself; Stop here, or gently pass! Alone she cuts and binds the grain, And sings a melancholy strain; O listen! for the Vale profound Is overflowing with the sound. No Nightingale did ever chaunt More welcome notes to weary bands Of travellers in some shady haunt, Among Arabian sands: A voice so shrilling ne'er was heard In spring-time from the Cuckoo-bird, Breaking the silence of the seas Among the farthest Hebrides. Will no one tell me what she sings?-- Perhaps the plaintive numbers flow For old, unhappy, far-off things, And battles long ago: Or is it some more humble lay, Familiar matter of to-day? Some natural sorrow, loss, or pain, That has been, and may be again? Whate'er the theme, the Maiden sang As if her song could have no ending; I saw her singing at her work, And o'er the sickle bending;-- I listen'd, motionless and still; And, as I mounted up the hill, The music in my heart I bore, Long after it was heard no more.

cheli · Apr 16, 2012 1:45 PM

धन्यवाद चेलीलाई र धन्यवाद राहुलदाइलाई यो धागो जिवित राख्न गर्नु भएको प्रयासको निमित्त र बाड्नु भएको ज्ञानको निमित्त, हुन त वर्डस्वर्थ र महाकवि देवकोटाको कविताहरु दाँज्नु मेरो हैसियत भन्दा बाहिरको कुरा हो तर पनि दुवै कविताहरुलाई सर्सर्ती पढ्दा आएका केही बिचार पोख्न अनुमती चाहन्छु । अनुवादित हुनको लागि त लेखेकले पहिले नै उल्लेख गर्नु पर्ने र मिलेसम्म शब्द शब्दको अनुवाद हुन पर्ने होइन र ? यदी कुनै कृति अनुवादित भनेर उल्लेख गरिदैन र त्यसमा शब्द शब्द मिल्छ भने त त्यो सिधै चोरी नै भयो नि हैन ? महाकवि देवकोटाले वर्डस्वर्थ लगायात थुप्रै पश्चिमा साहित्यकारहरुको कृतिको अध्ययन गर्नु भएको त हामी सबैलाई थाहा छदै छ । शायद वहाँमा ति साहित्यकारहरुको केही प्रभाव त अवश्य थियो होला । माथिका दुई कविताको बिषयवस्तु त एउटै नै छन् तर शैली र प्रस्तुतीको हिसाबले यि बिल्कुलै फरक छन् जस्तो लाग्छ मलाई । थाहा छैन अरु साहित्य अनुरागीहरुलाई कस्तो लाग्छ ... Last edited: 16-Apr-12 02:33 PM

Geology Tiger · Apr 16, 2012 2:31 PM

चेली लाइ पुन: धन्यबाद . माथिको दुइ कबिता पढ्दा मैले यस अघि लेखेको कुरा मै संसोधन प्रस्ताब पास गर्नु पर्ला जस्तो लाग्यो . चोरी कत्ति सम्म को चोरी लाइ भन्ने कुरा नै रिसोच गर्नु पर्ला जस्तो छ .काल ,परिवेश  र परिस्थिति भिन्न भिन्न तर भाव सम्भवत एकै . अब यसलाई के भनौ? 1. भावानुबाद ?? 2. प्रभाव ?? 3. संयोग ?? वा 4. चोरी ....  

rahulvai · Apr 16, 2012 2:43 PM

2 or 3 hola ki!!

cheli · Apr 16, 2012 3:00 PM

 Cheliji, Mathika dui kabita haru ko subject eutai bhayepani, dui katita ekdamai bhinna chhan. Dubai kabita le ghas katne keti ko barema bahne pani dui bhinna kura bhaneka chan.  Dui manche le "Sadak ka Gadi" ko barema kabita lekhe bhandai ma euta le arko ko choreko bhanna mildaina. Wordsworth pani ghas katne keti sanga prabhabhit bhayera lekheka ra, euta completely isolated independant event ma devkota pani testai euta ghas katne keti sanga prabhabhit bhayera lekheko huna sakcha. Euta ramri eklai geet gaudai ghas kateko dekhera kun chahi kabiko man ma kabita nafuros? Kabi nai nabhayeko manche pani "Main sayar to nahin, magar ye hasin, jabse dekha maine tujhko, sayari aagai" bhane jasto kabi bnna thalcha. Ra pani, yedi Wordsworth ko kabita padherai mahakabi influence hunu bhayeko bhaye pani, tyo kabita lekhna lai, waha le Wordsworth bata insipiration bahek aru k hi paunu bhayeko chaina, testo chhanda banauna wordsworth ko shabda harule waha lai kunai help bhayena. May be I am in denail to agree that mahakabi plagiarised, but I don't see much copying here. If anything exists in between those two, it is inspiration, nothing more. May be I am wrong, but thats what I see.

Dissident · Apr 16, 2012 3:21 PM

Thanx for reviving the thread. After going through this thread, I started reading few essays and writings of Shankar Lamichane. I was mesmerized by his "sandarva laxmi jayanti". Thanx to the poster who posted that link :). Having never heard much of him before, he not only did justice to his legacy, but he makes me realize Laxmi prasad devkota is simply at a different level (like how shakespeare is to English). It is hard to believe that Laxmi Prasad Devkota needed to plagiarize, for a person who was able two dictate 12 stories in one night each with a different plot and twists. As GT says, he was a voracious reader of english literature as well. He might have been trying to translate it in Nepali in his own way. I also got a copy of Sirish ko Phool. While I haven't finished it, it is amazing how the female writer writes from the male-soldier's perspective. simply amazing so far!

snurp · Apr 16, 2012 3:46 PM

dissident ji, Thanks for your input. I did not say and I can never ever say that Devkota plagiarized. When I read Devkota's poem for the first time long time back, I thought it was exactly like Wordsworth's, both have brilliantly described the way she sings, the way she reaps the grass. I thought "Hasiya geet" was a translation of "The Solitary Reaper".  Now, when I am reading both these poems again and again, I feel its not translated because they do not match word by word. However, I do feel that Devkota must have been inspired/influenced by Wordsworth very much, because both these poems have same setting, and subject matter. If I am wrong and Devkota never ever read "The Solitary reaper" before writing this poem( which is very unlikely), all I can say is "Great minds think alike" . Happy Tuesday!!

cheli · Apr 17, 2012 7:03 AM

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ThahaChaena · Apr 17, 2012 7:55 AM

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ThahaChaena · Apr 17, 2012 7:59 AM

 The Solitary Reaper.... By Sorijini Naidoo.... what a poem I remember reading the poem in Gulmohar book - Class 6..... The teacher teaching us that poem was Late Poet Machhendra Pradhan. He took 4 days to teach the poem, explaining every meaning that could come out of the lines..... Its my all time favourite..... Thank you Cheli The list of the best writer/poet in Nepali literature may not every enlist late Machhendra Pradhan, but his noble "Nilkantha" won him the highest literary award in India and many other. He may not be well known but would have served Nepali literature well if he would not have been entangled in family life & business.

gyanguru · Apr 17, 2012 3:38 PM