these days we're discussing the subject of abortion and the laws in the US concernign it , in my ethics class...i think abortion should be allowed until the point when the fetus becomes viable....what do u guys think and y?

i am pro-choice. after all it's the woman has to bear the child. so it should be upto her to decide if she wants to keep it or not.

being pro-choice and pro-life one has to balance the point.

we r mere humans and we sud not b playing gods. i am pro-choice in the sense that for incest, rape and those cases abortion should be allowed.

but i am pro-life on other instances. financial obligation, other dillemmas and second thoughts should not give one excuse to end someone's existance.
no one should be allowed to end life for a mere physical enjoyment/fulfilment and or the desire of the spur/heat of the moment

my unwanted 2 cents
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as always what do i know (O:

sajhauser,
its also her choice whether or not to indulge in physical enjoyment and cut the Fallopian tubes. just because you can bear does not mean that you are god and can play god.
YOU DO NOT HAVE RIGHT TO CEASE THE EXISTENCE OF ANOTHER LIVING BEING.

what you can do is choose before so that you do not have to be a murderer.

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once again what do i know (O:

thapap....so what you mean is in case of rape , incest and those cases the fetus is a mere burden and its ok to kill a fetus
but in all other cases the fetus instantly becomes the "oh so precious" baby that has a right to live and it's existance should not be ended ....huh....
and w/the whole humans playing god thing....someone who aborts a child of rape/incest isn't playing god while eveyone else who does so for any other reason is .....did i get it rite????are u contradicting yourself or m i just confused....
plz explain....no hard feelings....after all i asked for ur opinion on this matter rite??

I am in accord with thapap's suggestions. In case of a child of rape/incest, abortion should be allowed. But not in other cases.. "just because woman has to bear it" - that's a very lame excuse. There are many ways you can prevent pregenancy.

"YOU DO NOT HAVE RIGHT TO CEASE THE EXISTENCE OF ANOTHER LIVING BEING. "
- well said..thapap bro

as i mentioned before we need to balance between pro-life and pro-choice. that's the reality. we have to be realist hoina ra? cannot stick to false idealogy.

all babies are precious. in theory i would be against all abortions. but reality is not that.

[ in cases i mentioned like rape, incest and other calamities]
state of mother [mentally and psychologically] not is best of shape to bear children. child born during traumatic times not a great survival in this "survival of the fittest" world.
think for yourself do you think it would be wise to have such babies in a society. will that be benefical to the MOTHER and her new born. They are going to be shunned. and poor kid is going to get all the deficiencies of the genes[esp. in case of incest]. Imagine what will happen to the mother thinking that her brother/father is father of her baby. her husband. do you think that kind of memory is something that you want to see through out your life.
i consider these threat to the existence to the MOTHER herself. then in those situations it has to be an exception (O:

second portion of me being pro-life is that MOTHERs should not be killing and being murderers. like its my body i can do anything. and so they start abusing substances. getting knocked up and killing babies. that's a little bit out of place and time. its your body fine do what ever you want. but make sure u cut the fallopian tubes. so you do not have to kill another living being because u want to experience the free world...


i am not trying to put my feet in two boats but being a realist. i see the world the way i see it that's why i say
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once again
what do i know (O:

this one's for you nepal ko chhora...
i agree there are ways to prevent pregnancy .....but none of them are 100% guarenteed....
let's say a couple have 2/3 or however many kids they want.their birth control method does not work....for whatever reason....and the woman is pregnant. the birth of one more child would mean more financial and emotional burden on the family...not to mention if the other children are in their teens already she/they will be spending another another 10+ more years of their life rearing the child that they did not want in the first place...
since all precautions were taken i don't see why she should not b allowed to make things better for her family ....
so what's the woman to to.....just put up with it....

there are plenty options
1. put the kid for adoption
2. cut the fallopian tubes
3. cut the dyamn scortum
4. use multiple birth control measures. individually they are 93%.redundant use 99.99%. [ maile bhaneko hoina]
5. control your desires (O:. abstinance. i.e. abstain from sexual intercourse. of course there are other ways hoina ra.. o and a

lifeinspires,

Regarding preventation of pregnancy, I do agree with you that a single method may not work 100% but I do strongly believe that if you go for combination of methods, you can guarantee 100%. Natural family planning method alone can be 90% to 98% effective (2 to 10 pregnancies per 100 couples) when they are practiced correctly(Source: http://familydoctor.org/126.xml).

And, regardind your scenario, the family in which the birth of one more child would mean more financial and emotional burden on the family should be extra careful in the matter. Why didn't they opt for permanent family planning methods like vasectomy or female sterilization? We need to look before leap...not first leap and then find that you jumped into a quick-sand. And, it's the couple who is culpit, not only woman. If you make the mistake, you should be ready to bear the consequences of your mistake. You have no right to kill an innocent in the name of "financial and emotional burden".

thapap jeeeee,

if she gives birth to the child, then the father should also be reponsible hoina? what if he's not? this issue is not really a debatable one, cause you're not in place to give birth. personally, i wouldn't care if anyone calls me a murderer if i had to go thru the situation. i would even want to kill the people who'd call me so :P

well i guess it's a pretty gray zone to debate about..i guess sometimes selfishness rules more than anything else. i went thru some though times passing by very close to this issue. my gf(ex) got pregnant after having messed up with someone (not me) the first year she reached US and it was a pretty big shock to me although it was pretty much decided by then that we were over with our relationship that she lost her patience. But well getting back to her being pregnant it still felt very bad that she was a nepali girl, from a conservative,protective and good family, and on top unmarried. And worst of all I still loved her like i always did for years and couldn't imagine how she and her family would face the situation if she were to give birth. At that time it was a question of a life I did not even know that ever existed against the misery that the person I loved will have to go thru for it,,and I tried like hell to persuade her to abort..it worked after a lot of effort that she finally gathered her guts to do it. I guess she felt relieved after it, as far as i know (dont know for sure). I am a pro life person, but I guess every human being has that selfish and hypocrite part inside which does show up at times like that. I guess lot of us would act like that if it were our unmarried little sisters or someone u loved dearly going thru the dilemma..it's easy to advocate for or against it..but i guess it is a whole different issue when u come face to face with it and the pain of chosing your fate..but again there is this whole issue that some people take it for granted that abortion is an easy way out for all that thoughtlessness one showed before indulging in the act leading to it,, as if abortion is nothing but just another form of contraceptive that could be used at anytime not to be a mom/ dad.

Out of curiosity I was lookin at the pics of aborted foetus in the net,,it's horrific,,the little form of life coming out in pieces as if it were strands of noodles..and the description of the process,,poking in the back of the head with sharp tool,,vacuum suction..i just feel lucky that i was not one of them..

i dunt think abortion is a good thing!!!
1st of all if a girl is going around having sex, and she gets pergnant she better be ready to take responsibilities for her action
and 2nd it is just plain MURDER!!

just to add to the controversy...some pix..
fetus aborted @ 10 weeks

fetus aborted @ 22 weeks

and a baby....who got a chance to live...

i think best way to stop taking about abortion is

DO NOT HAVE SEX keta le laddo lai banera rakha and keti le pusseey ma glu laga

Abortion Should be Legal in all cases.
If it became illegal the only thing that will change is the legality. ie there will still be as many abortions only now it will be illegal abortions. people will find ways to do it and often times from a less trained person.

I am still for Pro choice..

hmmm...sticky..very sticky topic.

i, personally, tend to agree mostly with libertarian stance on abortion.

Since the embryo in the early stages of pregnancy can't live outside its mother, it is truly part of her body and not a separate individual. During this time period, a woman having an abortion is exercising property rights over her body, not killing a being separate from herself. She is the individual with rights. The embryo, at this point in time, is not an individual.

Once the embryo is old enough to live outside the womb, the woman is still under no moral obligation to carry the child to term. She can invite people to her house, change her mind, and ask them to leave. She can invite an embryo to grow inside of her body, change her mind, and ask it to leave. However, if her unwanted guests don't leave immediately, she wouldn't just pull out a gun and shoot them. That would be (excuse the pun) 'overkill.' Libertarians believe in using only the amount of force necessary to defend one's self and property. Going farther turns defenders into aggressors and puts them in the wrong.

Abortion at this latter stage of pregnancy is, in my opinion, overkill, because the embryo is now an individual and abortion is not the use of least force.

Instead of abortion, delivery could be induced and adoptive parents could take over the time and expense of nurturing the infant. When technology enables any embryo to grow outside the mother into a healthy infant, abortion will become obsolete. A libertarian society makes medical advances and adoptions easier and quicker, enabling this day to come much faster.

LooTe