No voices were raised against 'Nepal being a Hindu country ' in any of the peoples movement in Nepal. Then why these bloody politicians decides to amend the constitution to make Nepal a secular state? I am pretty much sure if people were informed that the Jan Andolan would make the country a secular one, the streets of Kathmandu would not have been flooded with people during the Aandolan..
Politicians talk of respecting people's voice. They then do not have the right to amend the constitution to make a decision on the matter that was not voiced by people. There was nothing wrong with Nepal as Hindu country...If we want to change this, there should be referendum for that. Bloody politicians, killers do not deserve any right to decide against people's aspiration.
Hinduism basically is not the religion, its a culture. It respects all religions...we never had any religious dispute in the country. When things were going smoothly with that whywas the need for change?

Religion separates people. But is good for american economy.
people believe in something they have never seen (God), how come ? And for claims this "unseen" has given them religion to believe. Xtians, moslems and jews fight with one another, know why ? coz they believe in same god (god=allah)

Why it is so hard for ppl to understand that all are same. Same applies for pahadi nepali and madhesi nepali.

Ever read story of moses ? does it resemble that of krishna ??

For sake of humanity, do not create barriers. Religion is one of them. World would be so nice without relion. Surely we would not have some fabulous buildings like pashupati temple, churck of cologne or in istanbul. Though it would bring more good things....

Hey!le chef du nuit 90% of people are hindus , you are wrong. Don't believe the data. Just use your common sense, 2 types of Gurung, sherpa, tamang, thakali,most of the newars and some other ethnic groups are buddhists. Country should not force its people to follow the religion. Religion should come from the deep inside the heart. People should be free to practice
their religion. When Nepal claimed only the hindu nation, it iwas unfair and disrespect for the rest of the religions. Other religion people were force to follow hinduism. Believe me,all the different ethin groups who follow different religions other than hinduism were unsatisfied and burnning inside.It was just the matter of time, it would have exploded sooner or later.If you don't believe me, ask the different religion people.Then you will know what I'm talking about.Secular nepal is good for the country. Do you see any nation in the world declare only buddhist country, or christian country except those fundamental muslim countries. Even the politicians have done so many wrong things, they made wise decisions by making nepal secular country. At least we don't need to see the bloodsheed for the religion.It is good this way so all the people has a chance to freely practice their religion.

mta177 ,

le chef du nuit is right, It seems you misread him, He said " im pretty sure the actual numbers would shock those who would believe that 90% of nepal is hindu " which means there are less than 90% hindus. Please don't take it otherwise ...... just wanted to clear ur misunderstanding.

Nepal should be a secular state, because all the hindu fundamentalist who want it otherwise are f**king Indians. I am a hindu bahun and I have no problem with it at all, because I also do feel that Hinduism are inforced in our indegenious brother and sisters. We all have our culture and identities so declaring Nepal a Hindu state is unjustice to them. F**k off you hindu fundamentalists.

Thanks for correction ritthe_jasus. I'm deeply sorry le chef du nuits. I just saw the 90% no which is away off when writing this post.

Nepal should remain a hindu country. Nepal has been a hindu country since time immemorial. Kingdoms of Mithila, Tirhut, Jumla, Gorkha or Makwanpur were all hindu Kingdoms. Kapilvastu, where Buddha was born was ruled by Shakya kings of the hindu lineage for many years before he was born. Even the Kathmandu valley has a rich hindu heritage which can be seen in its culture and architecture. The Shah kings didn't bring hinduism to Kathmandu, hinduism has been there since the gopala / mahispaalas (much before Kiraatis) and it has been preserved by the Lichhavis and Mallas.

Can anyone say how old is the temple of Pashupatinath or Changunarayan ? Inscriptions show that they have been renovated in the 1st and 2nd century AD ! The country name of 'Nepal' is mentioned in hindu puranas as old as 500 to 1500 B.C. (For example The Skanda Purana, Himwat Khanda, Chapters on Nepal mahatmya), whereas therec is no mention of any country named India. Thus, claiming that hinduism came from India is utter foolishness, a logic given by those who have half baked knowlwdge about history and culture of Nepal.

"Most of the Newars are Buddhists"...Now what can I say about this? This again shows utter ignorance. Newars outside valley, Newars of Bhaktapur and Kathmandu are predominantly Hindu. Bajracharyas, Shakyas, Tuladhars and few other ....Kaars of the Newar clan and some Maharjans are buddhists. But the other predominant fraction of the Newar community is hindu. This is reflected in the Newar culture of the valley itself. Where else in the country do you find jatras and festivals almost everyday in the names of hindu gods and goddesses? Kaartik naach, Indra jatra, Bisket jatra......the festivals of the hindu Newars who predominate in number, are innumerable, unique and have been there for ages.

Declaring Nepal a 'secular' country will not solve the problem of hindu fundamentalists. They were unheard of till few years back in Nepal. But look at 'secular' India and look at the 'hindu' fundamentalist organisations there. Look at the victories of parties like 'Shiva sena' in the Mumbai elections recently. Just see how the Siva sena / Bajrang Dal / BJP won elections in Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan or Himachal Pradesh. That would't be there if India was not a 'secular' country. And don't just ignore the fact that that's not going to happen in Nepal. May be it won't happen all over the country at once, but definitely it'll start from some part of Nepal, most probably the 'Terai'. Just see how the top notch leaders of the 'Madhesi jana adhikar forum (MJF)' were busy attending meetings of the 'hindu' fundamentalist groups in India. And they do have a stronghold in the terai districts. That is an indication of the days to come.

In todays age, the only problem is that the king and his followers have misused the basic tenets of hinduism in their favour. And the same people are now trying reap benefits by playing on the hindu sentiments of the majority (u should try to look beyond kathmandu in this matter). Thus, the need of the moment is to seperate hinduism from the royalists and declare Nepal a Hindu democratic republic. This won't give them any space / or any reason to hold any kind of protests or play with the sentiments of the common people. This will be beneficial for the maintainence of democracy in the long run.

samir28,
F##K with our ancient bullshit history. What has it done good to our country? Indians are now joining the protest. Damn! what a disgrace. When Nepali people are not that upset with the decision, the BIHARIS dirty MOFO fundamentalists are infiltrating inside the country. Accept it, Hindu fundamentalist will be no better than Muslim terrorist
The sadest thing here in Sajha are the people who are talking about Indian Cricket Tem, Bollyhood request. Indian Ass Lickers. These people will never change. Get a life.

People don't know the ethnic composition of Nepal and just keep on repeating that Gurung, Thakali, Tamangs, Sherpas etc are not Hindus. I agree that they are not hindus, but what's their percentage in Nepal? There are 59 janajaatis listed in the janajati commission of Nepal. All these together comprise just 37% of the total population.Out of these 59, 28 janajaatis are janajaatis of Terai which include the dhimals, sattars, rajbanshis, thaarus etc. So just use ur common sense and calculate what might be the percentage of Sherpa, Thakaali, Limbu or Rai.

For your information, Thakaali are not even 1%, Sherpa less than 3%, Limbu and Rai combined are around 5%. But they are more powerful in the national politics, in comparision to the janajaatis of Terai or madhesis. That's why their voices are heard. That's why the ideas of most of the kathmandu centered nepalese or those of the so called 'typical nepali' communities is too much 'hill centered', and they consider their problem to be genuine but they don't know about Thaarus who comprise 7% of the total population.

And Thakaalis / Sherpas / Bhutias and Lepchas may be 100% non hindus, but the same can't be said about the Rais / Magars or Gurungs (Forget about history, think about the present). Among Newars, not more than 30% of their population is non hindu.

The same kind of bias is seen when people talk about linguistic rights. They are too concerned about Limbu language spoken by 1.5%, Thakaali language spoken by less than 1% or Sherpa language by 2 - 3 % of the population. Nepali is the mother tongue of just 57% of the population, I agree on that. Perhaps many don't know that Maithili is the 2nd largest language in Nepal spoken by 14%, bhojpuri third at 12%, abadhi 5%, Thaaru 5%. All together these terai languages comprise more than 30% of the population. And percentage of those with 'Hindi' as their mother language is equal to those speaking the Limbu language !!!! But our vision is too narrow, we look at things with a 'hill centered' bias and fail to see the problems of Nepal in totality. 'Seperate Madhesh' ko naara tyasai laagya haina.

samir...
Where did you get those data? Have you ever been around the country beside Terai?

Bob Marley, u haven't understood my post. Plz read again. Hindu fundamentalists are infiltrating terai, and are trying to take advantage of the sentiments of the common people there. Their pretext is to revert Nepal back to Hindu kingdom. That's why the need of the moment is to seperate hinduism from the royalists and declare Nepal a Hindu democratic republic. This won't give them any space / or any reason to hold any kind of protests or play with the sentiments of the common people and bring threats to the democracy.

And regarding your views about the term 'Nepali', you again seem to be biased with some 'hill / kathmandu centric' views. And history is history, you can't negate that / you can't ignore that.

Plz go to the 'tathyanka' of Janajaati pratisthan or census of Nepal. Just 17% of the population stays in the himaali regions, and all of them are not Sherpas or thakaalis. Khas (Bahun / Chhetri/ Thakuri) are there in large numbers in Jumla, Humla, Mugu, Darchula, Bajhang and Bajura.

49% of the population in in Terai, so I can't ignore that. You can't take it becoz u r too 'hill / ktm centered'. Ur view abou the typical 'Nepali' is similar to that propagated by the 'Panchayat system', someone who wears daura, suruwal, topi and belongs to ether the the bahun chhetri group or some janajaati of the hills or himals.

Jai Nepal
The eight parties are not really serious about the secular state.

If not done, there are more chances that king can play a game in the name of religion. He could

get support from some of the Indians. This kind of work will have adverse effect on the

current ongoing peace talks. The maoist side is more worried about their safe landing. They

are concerned more about the power sharing in the center. So, they still consider that war is

going on and ultimately they have to fight with king backed army. King is a opponent for

them and they experimented something ...., now, we are in secular state.

Jai Nepal

WAIT N WATCH ...THE GAME OF RELIGION IN NEPAL!!!
WHEN IT WAS DECLARED I WAS VOCAL HERE IN SAJAH , THAT IT IS VERY UNNECESSARY STEP .MOREOVER IT WAS NOT DONE IN CORRECT MANNER.THIS WILL BE DEFINATELY ONE MORE HEADACHE FOR NEPAL, WHICH THE BLIND NETAS CANNOT SEE!!!

SAMIR28..GREAT JOB MAN!!..
you are very correct man!!!Nepalese only focus janjati means- rai, limbu, gurung..what percentage they compromise in the total population in Nepal.Are they so backward comparative to other janjati and yet they do not hesistate to declare another arm revolution.Granted they might not be Hindu but they have adopted hindu religion for hundered of years now.So, now what most of the muslims of India were once Hindu.Can you call them non muslim??

Samir28.. great insight about nepal... I didn't know all these things... I believe in majority and the majority is hindus in nepal... if there was a election for secularism or hinduism, hindus would win it easily..

Bob Marley .. I know u are not hindu nor chettri or bahun or newar and surely you are not janjati.. what the hell are you and why are u so pissed off with Samir28 for giving us information of nepal...

I have been around the country not only Tarai.. I am from sankhuwasabha, do u know where that is..? grew up in the eastern part of nepal (the most developed part of nepal) it is a kirat land.. . u look all over the country of nepal.. how come there are more arayans (meaning people with long nose) than mongols ...

think of this senerio, what happened when the madesheys went out on protest.. nepal almost paralyzed and collapesed.. let me see u block humla,jumla and namche bazar, rolpa and whatever other hilly districts u claim to be non hindus or mangoloids and see what will happen to nepal... nothing nada, dude your own people will leave u because of the femine and hunger u will cause there.

How come the maoist leader is not a magar or gurung? how come it is a bahun?

If war breaks out for religion in nepal.. I wouldn't want to be the other religion....
you can rant and rave as much as you can.. u can't defy the truth...
Truth hurts hommie
I rest my case

Monarchy needs to end , buck stops here. It allows limited change it is an old failed system.

You can use dos or vista !

you decide.

Peace bitch

I don't use dos or vista.. didn't u know vista is still unstable

u can be my bitch anyday Duke of pussytole

Samir bro,

I really loved reading ur views. But I didnot get satisfactory answer of the core questions. Why should we remain Hindu Kingdom ??? What is wrong being secular ???

Me myself being Newar, I am documented Hindu but I am more buddhist than hindu. Newar culture is unique in itself, which has embraced both Hinduism and Buddhism. But if you say newars are predominantly Hindu, I deny you. You gave examples like Bisket Jatra, Indra Jantra. ........... Indra jatra is celebration of Buddhists. Kumari comes from Shakya clan, do you mean to say they are hindus.

If newars were predominantly hindu, How many newars have you met in pashupati during shivaratri, very few ............ do you know how many newars you will see in buddha jayanti in swayambhu ....... all day. There is only fraction of Newars who celebrate Tij, who appoint Brahmin priests. Otherwise we have our own so called 'Brahmins' whom we call 'Gavaju'.

I agree with you that Hindu religion has been here for long time, But I have also heard that Sankaracharya had done Hindu Crusade towards North burning all Buddhist literatures and monasteries. He stopped his crusade when couldnot defeat tibetians and chinese. When Buddhism was at its peak whole North India was Buddhist territory, only south was Hindu. The North India is still called Bihar.

I won't deny that Hinduism was there way before Buddhism though.

But the issue is not if 90% of Nepalese are hindu or not. .........It is, Should we remain hindu country or not ???

I saw examples of Shiva Sena and all ...... who do we blame for it ??? Are these results of country being secular or people being dumb ???? ........ If people are dumb, no matter what smart names you give them ...... they will still be dumb.

I can understand you Samir, that by taking out word Hindu we are giving the way to the fundamentalists to come to the power, their most effective 'war cry'. But so far, I also believe Nepalese have some sense to know what is good and bad, unlike Indians, ruled by mob. The proof, If it was in India there would have been bloodsheds by now.

We yearn for democracy, but what does demoracy mean ??? Isn't it to be ruled by the majority ??? No matter what, majority will always rule, this way or that way. But democracy also means RESPECT and HONOUR to the minors. By taking out word HINDU from NEPAL, we are just showing our RESPECT and HONOUR to other religions, the rulers will always be hindu majorities no matter if Nepal remains HINDU or not.

I am a BIG ROYALIST.

There are three categories of people in Nepal:

1> Royalist: Educated, learned, wise, and who can foresee the future. The most talented and loyal. They want to work, and dedicated to make the nation prosperous. They are religious, but not extremist.

2> Democratic: People who are corrupted and scared of unemployment if King's direct rule is imposed. Will even sell their daughter, sister and mother, if they are paid--even a cup of coffee. Highly uneducated, so they chose politics as their career; they wont find jobs.

3> Maoists: Uneducated, illiterate, sheep minded, poor, hungry, and also the terrorists. Forcibly want to create communal riots, entertain in civil war, and DO NOT like to work; they rather want to rob, kill, steal, murder, rape so that they can eat.

I am proud I belong to the FIRST category and I AM A ROYALIST.

Jai Desh! Jai Naresh!

Long live king!!!

Rithhi jasus,
let me tell you something,I completely don't agree with you too.You see , you don't have to agree with samir neither your comment is greatest.

You gave example of Newar.In newar community - shrestha, pradhan, malla etc are predominant Hindu.Newar are the community who have preserved buddhism.You see all the temple of Hindu god and goddess in KTM? who did that Newars.Ok!
So , telling that Newars are not predominantly hindu is wrong.Yes, most newars follow buddisim as well.

Giving an example of Shivratri- hmm..you sit there and count huh!!well , lets suppose you are right too.Take the ratio of population of newar who goes to pashupati, lot of newar do go to pashupati.Also, it doen't mean that if someone doesn't go to pashupati they are not hindu!.

Also about 90% being Hindu, it used to be like that and i agree it is no more cause of Muslim reproduction rates and Christian conversion rate.Buddhist conversion rate has not affected the hindu decreasing rate.

State and religion should be seperate , hmmm... though Nepal being only one hindu country in the world , It had religious tolerance.More than any country in the world.Did n't you see big mosque in the middle of KTM?Did fundamentalist hindu went and destoyed that.wasn't the missionaries doing their conversion of Hindus in Nepal.

Now, let me tell you whats gonna happen , You wanted respect for other religion ..ok ..those chirstian missionaries will be killed in Pahad when the go to preach, The muslims in terai would have to live in Fear. Democracy was there for religion .So changing Name doesn't really give freedom and democracy .it should be done in practical way.

Moreover if Nepalese would have voted for secular country then that would have been best.

Thanks Samir for your analysis.