When i was a kid (or when i was in Nepal), i used to believe in God. I did however have reservations on religion but i still believed in God. Its been a year in US now and having met people from other cultures, the existence of a supreme being doesnt make sense anymore. 

I think that believeing in GOd instills in a person faith, confidence and positivity to get through good times and be appreciative of the bad ones. I want my children to have these qualities so i dont want to tell them that GOd doesnt exist. Moreover, i cant imagine what my parents/relatives will make of me when i talk to them about this. It isnt going to be pretty. 

It does give me great discomfort to think about all this. I must admit i feel less confident and more pessimistic these days. I want to believe in God but my logic doesnt give in anymore. In fact, i get irritated when i hear things like "God COMMANDED you to.." "GOd will PUNISH you if..", "We are SERVANTS in from of Him" "(on Christianity): "Jesus died on the cross for you"(THere are many who have made a similar magnitude of sacrifice). 

I think that God and religion are ancient theories that havent been discarded yet. And it hasnt due to the fear in people of what might happen if they didnt. One of my teachers once said "if there is no god and you believe in god, there is no harm but if there is god and you dont believe in god, there is harm". i feel this and cultural and social stigmas lead people to be religious and not question their beliefs. 

I wanna know what you guys make of this.

Jaisa Guru, waisa chela; dono narak mein thelam thela!

Jaisa Guru, waisa chela; dono narak mein thelam thela!

 anybody summoned me?? 

Budmash since you obviously cannot stick to the topic of discussion and you have to call others idiots who don't agree with you, and since you have to repeat some indian ukhan to keep yourself from crying, you need to change your name to "Runche" from Budmash.

It is very clear that you consider Homeyji your guru, that is why you keep praying in his name.

Homeyji, please cum back to help your chela out. He is dying for your compassion and to hear something from you because obviously he cannot argue with points without taking it personally just like you.

Jaisa Guru, waisa chela; dono narak mein thelam thela” - this ukhan is better suited for you budmash and your master homeyji. I hear it's too hot out there in narak. Do us a favor and take of your pants before you do thelam thela.

rethink....it didn't take too long for this cry baby to lose his cool....maybe he can run to his mommy for a quick diaper change and come back with some logical argument....

 I thinkit'd be better to share wisdom and knowledge than utterly obnoxious your 'who's better than who' attitude in this post. 
the question was
'You believe in God?"
and look at the answers.. 'you are a fool, no you are an idiot, no, you are... '
common, act like grownups.

ton's of people will land on this page as a result of google search and such , and when they see bunch of people quarelling like kids on such a thoughtful topic,??? ' aafno dhoti phuskauney kaam nagara ho bhai haru' .

 



 

@Bittertruth, ....And you feel that you are not making the same mistake that Homeyji made by assuming that these two have the ability to have decent conversation?

You seem to have more faith in these two than most of us have....

@budmash, human emotion and attitude is just like water., it needs some times and eventually it'll change. I don't have faith on anyone of here.. just saying. hopefully, they'll come up with decent words..

BitterTruth,

I am sorry to say, but here, I agree with Budmash. The truth is bitter. But I will swallow it.

I will quote my own words that I had cited in a different context in another thread:
http://sajha.com/sajha/html/index.cfm?threadid=93593#838028

BitterTruth,
You say that water's nature is like human nature. Well, water's nature is to flow downwards, being pulled by gravity. That is why all the river's flow down. Do you know any rivers that flow upward? Human nature is also constantly being pulled downwards by the force of gravity.

The pull of social gravity is very restrictive. Freedom to do one's best only comes once you have put a distance between yourself and this social gravity. But it takes a lot of energy to break out of this social gravity. It takes conscious effort. But it is not impossible. It does not happen automatically like you believe.

A rocket ship without enough propulsion moving forward, will go backward. A rocketship needs deliberate and constant power to break out of the gravitational forces on earth that trap it. Especially when it is locked in a static position within the earths gravity, the rocketship needs a lot of energy before it gains enough momentum. Do you disagree?

If we are moving backward then that means that we as a society: you and I and everyone else....we are not putting enough energy in moving 'forward.' That is why we constantly find ourselves trapped in the earth's gravity. It is this social gravity that we cannot escape.

Sometimes the best way to love the people older than you is to show them that there is a better way. This takes courage and strength. You can't fake it.

Where are we going to get the power to break through this social gravity? I think that we need to be willing to build a 'social rocket ship.'

Any ideas how to build one? First we have to build a Nepali NASA .

What is a Nepali NASA?

It is a group of people who are serious and dedicated about wanting to break through the social gravity that traps us Nepalese as a society. First you need a body of serious people who are committed towards this effort: who see the urgency and importance of this mission.

So who wants to create a NASA?
NASA: Nepali Association of Social Action

homey ji, you got me wrong,
water changes it's substance form according to the given environment, you put water in glass, it becomes glass, you put it in bowl , it becomes bowl, you freeze it , it becomes solid ice, and so on. we as human nature is also like water, it's like a weather, it keeps changing.
once democratic, then republican then independent. I see lot of these folks walking down the street and sharing their words to me. why? because their human nature is so volatile that it don't remain same.

as regard to gravity, you could be right, but I was thinkin from different perspective.

there is no social gravity, if there is , that's corruption, it's just about more or less. our nation is infested with corrupt leaders or officials in every department. we should have death penalty for them to stop this gravity else nothing is going to happen

Bittertruth ji,

You are obviously a very learned person with a lot of great points of view. I have really appreciated your contribution and your attempt at neutrallity in this thread, despite your own limitations.

But I do differ from you in many perspectives. In the exchange of ideas, with people whom I feel close to, I like to set politeness and such aside. I feel that this kind of formallity is unnecessary. It prevents ideas from being exchanged in a speedy fashion. It is an unnecessary bureacracy in the exchange of ideas.

Needing to be constantly polite in the exchange of ideas, out of fear that the person receiving the communication will get offended, is very unfortunate and sad. In the realm of mature, confidenent people who trust each other and feel that their goal is good and beautiful and who live secure and healthy lives, this degree of caution is unnecessary.

I know that in sajha, this degree of caution and apology is VERY VERY necessary. You understand what I'm saying, yeah?

What I am trying to say is, in my exchange and communication with others, I will be very careful in how I word things. But in my posts addressing you, I want to be free enough to be irreverant so that the ideas are expressed directly.

I just want to ask your permission to do so. I feel you have the maturity and intellectual confidence and you're secure enough with yourself to handle that.

Am I correct? Let me know if I"m wrong.
Homey-G

homey-g, that's a nice thought.
and yeah I don't mind and you don't need to be in any obligation.
you are saying in a way, that the informality is a must during the fusion of the real ideas and experiences. and then again, you are acknowledging and being way more polite and formal to express yourself. don't need to be amongst some of these nutjobs out here.

you gotta say, what you gotta say. I gotta say what I gotta say. and we can maintain this balance rough and smooth without loosing decency.

the only way to help nepal is to get rid of those heretics. damned them..

record shows atheists die sooner and early(look around you)..
coz,
'son, here you are .. ' only for god to say/whistle that.

Bittertruth,

I think the main problem with this thread is that San Pradhan, the admin of this site, does not make moderators for sajha. He knows that he cannot manage a site like this all by himself. He should train and create moderators. Didn't you say that you are a moderator in another site?

In the minimum, for subjects like this, we should only let someone participate if they agree to respect someone who is playing a referee role in a neutral way. This prevents topics from getting out of hand.

Homey, I agree with you. But I don't think that San Pradhan cares enough about sajha members to go through the trouble of creating moderators. These moderators would have to abide by a higher standard than other members of sajha. And though it would improve the quality of sajha, since it would be more work for San to manage this. You have to admit, it is a lot easier to collect money for advertisements in sajha than to create moderators and referees so that the quality of sajha is improved.

Ki kaso?

I have been following this thread and here's my take on this:

Religion is a vast subject and naturally there will be people who have varying levels of belief and reverence to religion and god. Not one person can be 100% correct in his or his statements regarding god and in the end it boils down to personal preference.

In this thread insinuations have been made by both sides. There have been varying subjects from Prithvi narayan Shan to Aliens brought into the discussion. Some people's comment might be deemed outright stupid to others but for the one's writing it, it may seem like the ultimate truth. We operate everyday on the basis of our own perceived truth and personal biases. Some believe that logic and reasoning is the most important thing and some condemn people who don't believe in God. Even among believers of God, there is an underlying dissent regarding whose god is better.

So in the end, it all boils down to personal choice and any moderation of this discussion would be simply wrong since discussion in sajha is about expressing ones own opinions witout using foul language. Having moderators for this topic would bring in their own biases into the mix and may be unfair to individuals who are simply expressing their own opinions. This is the nature of discussion in sajha. In my opinion, noone is 100% correct in matters of God - but we are free to practice and express what we believe. We need to have that basic respect for other human beings.

San dai,

Not just for this thread. Don't you feel sajha in general would benefit from having moderators? Would that be too much work for you to manage?

The thing is, in many ways, instead of monitoring the whole site and all the threads, you would only have to manage moderators. And then you have a complaint box where people can submit if they feel any moderators are abusing their power.

So basically, you make all the people who want to become moderators, sign a contract of your expectations of how they should act. And if any of them abuse their power, you kick them out of sajha. I thought that this would make it easy for you to manage and it would improve the quality of sajha and make it a more enjoyable experience for all Nepalese who come to this site.

Thanks San dai. What do you think?

 @homey ji, don't really matter to me, yeah, I'm a moderator to other sites, and also having more than 30 professional sites for business under my portfolio , this site is the utmost disgusting and ugly looking one. If you just look at the clutter in the front and very hard to navigate menus, it takes a while even for veteran to familiar himself/herself with how this site runs. 
But just like buddies of mine used to say , ' thotro galli ko mitho momo pasal' .. I can't help coming here. Most probably, the 'mitho momo' here being the interesting discussions brought up by interesting ppl like you . 

But I think this forum has at least the capacity that's granted for the post owner who can delete the posts on their thread. But the fact is that the one who began this thread is lost or hibernated or gone for some reason. So, let it flow

@sajha admin, I don't have any qualm towards you and your site, the above statement that I put forth can take it as a construtive criticism. It'd be harsh not to mention that no matter what, I don't know about others but personally I do appreciate your effort to become a online junction for bringing nepalese all around the world together in one place. 

@san I agree with san's paragraph at the end. 

Bitterthruth brother,

I am still here but i am not going to delete any post.

Bittertruth,

I take your statements as constructive criticism. I like your analogy of ' thotro galli ko mitho momo pasal'. Human perception is so varied and so many factors influence one's perception that the same thing could be considered 'jhupadi' by some and it could be considered a 'mahal' by some depending upon their own individual status, goal, thinking, experience and interests! However, you are absolutely correct that there are many improvements that could be done on sajha. It is not organized at all! Everything seems to be tightly packed everywhere. On top of that there are no moderators to moderate the flow of things. How could a site like this even survive?

The answer is very simple. Sajha is a personal hobby of mine to run a website to bring together Nepalis to provide the resources to discuss freely matters related to Nepal and or Nepalis. I have created the structure to allow for free discussions using the resources that I have and it seems to be going fine for last 10 years and it seems to be going fine even now.

The reason I have stayed away from creating moderators is because each moderator would bring his or her own biases into the equation and it would be unfortunate to have to have disagreements with moderators' actions, or if two moderators do not agree with something, it just becomes a more commercial production which would require moderation of the moderators as well.

Since the Reclaiming Sajha Back movement in sajha, things seems to have been relatively better. There have been better and automated filters set to discourage use of foul language. Participation seems to have been much better than before, because now people are more comfortable in general now that users who do not have common courtesy or respect have been either banned or restricted in their access. The following data from google is a good representation of sajha viewership.




All in all, I am pretty satisfied with the way sajha is. There are always room for improvement and definitely sajha is an ongoing project. I'm just happy that a lot of you have joined us. Together we can have more fun!

Happy Holidays.