When i was a kid (or when i was in Nepal), i used to believe in God. I did however have reservations on religion but i still believed in God. Its been a year in US now and having met people from other cultures, the existence of a supreme being doesnt make sense anymore. 

I think that believeing in GOd instills in a person faith, confidence and positivity to get through good times and be appreciative of the bad ones. I want my children to have these qualities so i dont want to tell them that GOd doesnt exist. Moreover, i cant imagine what my parents/relatives will make of me when i talk to them about this. It isnt going to be pretty. 

It does give me great discomfort to think about all this. I must admit i feel less confident and more pessimistic these days. I want to believe in God but my logic doesnt give in anymore. In fact, i get irritated when i hear things like "God COMMANDED you to.." "GOd will PUNISH you if..", "We are SERVANTS in from of Him" "(on Christianity): "Jesus died on the cross for you"(THere are many who have made a similar magnitude of sacrifice). 

I think that God and religion are ancient theories that havent been discarded yet. And it hasnt due to the fear in people of what might happen if they didnt. One of my teachers once said "if there is no god and you believe in god, there is no harm but if there is god and you dont believe in god, there is harm". i feel this and cultural and social stigmas lead people to be religious and not question their beliefs. 

I wanna know what you guys make of this.

homeyji is a religious fanatic

 lol @ Prithvi Narayan Shah is a myth. What medications have you been taking off late, Homeyji? 

homey ji,

you need to open your mind as well it seems....

your argument:

PN shah is not real (not verified, evidence of existence in official historic transcripts of NEPAL)  NOT EQUAL TO my argument GOD is not real (No evidence provided so far)
we have the ability to measure PN shah's existence that can be verified/not-verified Vs god's existence ??? what measure is there that  provides proof?  point me to the "evidence" and "proof"of god being real..... give me a chance to refute your argument that god exists.

Homey ji,

is your great grand dad alive? just for examples sakes if he is my apologies, if not....can you prove that he ever existed?
for that matter anyone who ever lived in past ever existed?

Chaurey,

You are starting to sound really confused with all your whining. Please, focus.

You said this. These are your words. Are you going to start denying this also?
"Your way of comparing belief in GOD's existence vs PN Shah's existence is NOT the same."

So tell me what is Not the same. Why do you feel that you are so much more entitled to your knowledge of PN Shah than I am of God? Where do you get the arrogance to make these ridiculous claims of PN Shah being a real human being and not just the mythical character of folklore that he was?

All the facts you are citing is really making me question your grasp on reality, my friend. I'm worried about you.

worry about yourself brah.....you don't have a shred of evidence on existence of god and all you have done is beat around the bush....if you had any evidence you should bring it now...sorry im worried about your inability to differentiate between what's  real and what's imaginary :)

Look Chaurey,

This is what happened to Prithvi Narayan Shah. This is exactly how the myth of Prithvi Narayan Shah circulated all over Nepal. This is exactly how Jung Bahadur Rana proved that he had royal lineage to gullible Nepalese like you, and Nepalese believed the myth of the Rana's royalty for over a hundred years. (Heck, some Nepalese like you might still believe they are of royal lineage.) They are not, my friend. Jung Bahadur Rana's royal lineage was created by him. It was very deliberate.

The same happened to Prithvi Narayan Shah that is associated with real places like Gorkha palace. Every good myth has all those elements. But that doesn't mean you should believe everything you read, my friend. Robin Hood also has been linked with many real villages and places. But it is not real.

Really, I want to give a hug to you. I feel so bad for you that no one explained all these things to you. Here read this:



The early ballads link Robin Hood to identifiable real places and many are convinced that he was a real person, more or less accurately portrayed. A number of theories as to the identity of "the real Robin Hood" have their supporters. Some of these theories posit that "Robin Hood" or "Robert Hood" or the like was his actual name; others suggest that this may have been merely a nickname disguising a medieval bandit perhaps known to history under another name.^[21] One historian has claimed Robin Hood was a pseudonym by which the ancient Lords of Wellow, Nottinghamshire were once known.^[22] It is interesting that the village has such a strong connection with maypole celebrations, considering Robin Hood's links with the same thing.

oh wow very convincing....i think you just altered the history of Nepal single handedly..i would have referred your name for Gorkha dakchin bahu but then i guess maybe one alu ko takma is more real to you than any takma that has been named after an imaginary  place called Gorkha ...let me know when they publish the new history book....

going back to the original argument that this proves evidence of existence of god how exactly??

 What is the difficulty in understanding Homeyji's arguments?

I agree, it is people's arrogance that keeps them very narrowminded and unwilling to accept, despite there being ample proof. The thing is, Homeyji, that people feel that discovering God is cheap.

How can Chaurey demand to find him? Did Newton demand that the law of Gravity and physics be revealed to him? Is that how discovered the laws of gravity and physics? Did Einstein just sit around arguing with other people demanding that Relativity be 'revealed to him?'
Is that how he discovered it?

 I don't wish to get into the discussion on whether God exists or not but calling Prithvi Narayan Shah a myth is plain stupidity and ridiculous. We have history books, evidences that serve as verifications. Ever been to Nuwakot Durbar or Hetauda Gadhi? 

babaal khate can you then please provide proof since you are saying there is ample proof???

 "What is the difficutly in understanding Homeyji's argument?" 
Are you serious my friend? You find the argument that PNS never existed convincing?

 I was really looking forward to having an intellectual debate with a theist, but homeyji disappoited me. Homeyji, do you have any theist friends who think a bit more rationally? I'd be grateful if you could invite them to this thread.

 Hannspree: That is definitely one way to look at it but then again sun doesn’t answer our prayers nor bring justice to the righteous. Or does it? Why worship? Isn’t it like worshipping an object?

Nepal1234: yeah, I do ask question like “what is important in life”. I always considered achievement to be of prime importance. To be able to do something useful in this world before dying, to be a great man. But since coming to America, my view in this has also changed, unfortunately. I see people who have no ambitions in life, little concern about their future and always doing whatever they want. At first, I looked down upon these people. But then as time passed, I got the impression that what most Americans look for in life is happiness. They seem to be asking to themselves “am I happy?” Then, I started looking at those people with more respect. Why do we need to be a great man or achieve if it is so troublesome? I know achievement is a marvelous source of happiness but the amount of effort you put into achieving something could be spent happier. I have shifted my answer to “what is life for” from achieving to experiencing and being happy. But this is a whole new discussion for which we need to start a new thread.

I was really hoping people would be more inclined to godliness in this thread coz that’s where I wanted to be convinced. But this is just serving to confirm my doubts. L. Oh well, at least that allows me to ask this question:

How do you plan on holding your belief with your family: parents and future children? Are you going to maintain pujas when you are the head of the family?

Geology tiger: That crossed my mind too and I totally agree with you. The idea that God and religion were a means to keep people from being unlawful when police and other means were not possible seems very logical. Even if we were created from something or somebody, why should we worship it? Say we were formed from a complex reaction, why should we worship it? The reaction happened, it led to big things but that’s all. I agree with you and rachas that believing in God gives hope. And hope gives confidence. But isn’t it false hope? Hoping from a person who you don’t know exists? Can you still draw hope even when you’re confused about His existence? Are you able to believe in God just because you need a source for hope for something not going well even when youre so confused about His existence?

 Will be back

It's obvious that Homeyji was simply using the Prithvi Narayan Shah analogy to illustrate a greater point.
Homeyji, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the greater point you were making is that discovering God is not cheap. Am I wrong? That is what I took away from the conversation.

But I have my own point:
How can Chaurey or anyone else here demand for proof for God and just expect to receive this "proof"? What form of proof would be adequate for you? What kind of data would satisfy you?

When I read the history of Newton or Einstein, I don't remember them just showing up on forums like sajha and yelling and screaming and demanding proof of gravity or the laws of physics. I don't remember them simply demanding that the principles of Relativity reveal itself to whoever demanded it?

That is not how these great scientists discovered the laws of nature.

Somehow don’t have the energy to rant on an argument or discussion. Also no time to read the long logics presented here.

To the point my mind liked once someday here in sajha had quoted “there are 2 kinds of person with beliefs one who believes in god but is afraid that he will lose the god and the other who does not believe in god but is afraid that he will find the god.” Quite relevant.

Jwaii and Babal,

Yes, that is exactly the point I was making.

We cannot expect people who believe in god to be reasonable since they believe in something without any valid proof.

Babal Khate....I am not here to argue with you on whether finding god is cheap or not....that is not part of the what we are discussing...


it is about what YOUR belief is that makes you so sure God's existence is real. saying what makes me a non believe is not a proof...it is you who believes and assert belief in GOD and i want to understand why and what exactly is it that makes you believe in GOD. Why are YOU so sure god exists, what are you basing your belief in and do you think that is evidence of existence of god? 

Issac Newton and Einstein had mathematical evidence to logically prove their hypothesis. If anyone asked Newton or Eisntein they would be able to clearly and logically recreate these equation and logically provide evidence to support the hypothesis. Gravitational effect, theory of relativilty, etc are all effects we can measure mathematically and they did so in their works to people who came forward as well, in Newton's time he had to be careful not to be branded a heretic going against fundamental Christian belief that collided with what he had proved.

A good question would be - are you blindly believing in God or do you have some reason to believe in god. And what would be that reason? Is it something concrete or not.