Posted by: pire July 16, 2010
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"Speaking from your hypothesis that Nepal's penal system is better than the US and those incarcerated people change their life after short sentencing, is so vague. Where is the data? "
I didn't make that hypothesis and please quote me where I made such hypotheses.
In case you don't know, I consistently made two points: that our legal system have two really good points despite all our flaws. One :it is predicated in our faith on the reforming power of penitentiary, and so we prefer shorter jail sentence. Second, we are against death penalty. All my arguments so far are based on these two premises, which requires no data.
Again, note I have never said there exists a definitive study saying Nepal's system is more efficient in reducing recidivism than Americans, but I don't think there is any study that says American system is efficient either. I have actually searched for some papers in scholar.google.com for this. And I have read a presentation by a very famous social scientist about penal system in the states. The overall feeling among most of them is that it is becoming unwieldy and perhaps not working at all.
You write:
"There is plethora of studies regarding drunk driving and you can get those accurate data from your local library, police station and city hall. Unlike Pire who cannot provide where he got the data of Nepali penal, judicial system and effectiveness, which he raves about."
Getting raw data and processing them is different matter. Earlier I wondered whether there exists any comparative study comparing US and another country (Nepal or something similar to Nepal). I wondered if there exists any study about recidivism in Nepal and whether there is significantly higher instances of recidivism in Nepal because we send people to shorter jail sentence. No where in my postings did I say anything more than that. If a representative prisoner released from Nepal after a brief inning for a crime is less likely to commit the crime again than the prisoner released after serving lengthy prison sentence for similar crime in the states, then we would be in a position to make some definitive statement.
We all know US has alot more inmates than the rest of the world, and I don't think it is because Americans are particularly more criminal minded. (read , for example, this report, http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0601-01.htm ) I believe that criminality is identically and uniformly distributed among a randomly selected population, and there is no basis to claim that Americans are more criminal, ceteris paribus, than the rest and deserved to be sentenced for lengthy periods. I don't see any justification for lengthy jail sentences, and capital punishments.
The things I rave about Nepal's penal system don't need data. One is shorter sentence for criminals and the other is absence of life system. It is a lenient system, but this conforms to my belief against harsh, cruel and barbaric sentences.
In any case, it is wise to quote me before accusing me of anything, if you would like to be engaged in a reasonable discussion.
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To others, if I am not responding to you, what more proof do you need about what I think about you ? Haven't you heard of a Nepali proverb: kukur bhukdai garchha, hatti hiddai garchha? My time is too much precious to respond to each of you and I hope you understand this simple fact. Or do you want me to tell you guys at your face? Have some self-respect guys. In any case, you can curse me as much as you want, as you know there is this beautiful Nepali ukhan, 'jhingako saraap le dinga mardaina'.
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