aryashakti, I read the website but do not find neccesssary details. If you know of histories of this please post.


thugged_out. Very good. But it is not complete. Name of Dadal also from BaNGLADESH. maybe Purbeei Brahmin of origin Dadal Dhura at Nepal. Please confirm.

I don't know where in this form we are talking about magars. Go enlighten your self with that. I'll tell you of a mantra. its called GOOGLE

well i am not discrediting ur knowldge. just asking you maybe u know it
thats all
no need to pinch, chill our dear

No i'm cool. S'all good. whats up? hehe looks like every little thread I'm in, you're comments are also there lol.

The passages you quoted are still in complete agreement with my quotes. It doesn't show any fallacies in my argument. Furthermore, I have to take issue on the theory that the Nayars are of Newari origin.

"In each of the three central kingdoms the Nayar caste was divided into a number of ranked subdivisions characterized by different political functions. Chief of these were (a) the royal lineage, (b) the lineages of chiefs of districts, (c) the lineages of Nayar village headmen and (d) several sub-castes of commoner Nayars. Each of these last either served one of the categories (a) to (c) or else served patrilineal landlord families of Nambudiri Brahmans. I shall deal first with the commoner Nayars of category (d).
There were present in each village some four to seven exogamous matrilineages of a single sub-caste of commoner Nayars. These owed allegiance to the family of the head of the village,which might be a patrilineal Nambudiri family, a Nayar village headman's matrilineage, a branch of the lineage of the chief of the district, or a branch of the royal lineage. The commoners held land on a hereditary feudal-type tenure from the headman's lineage and, in turn, had authority over the village's lower castes of cultivators, artisans, and agricultural serfs. Each retainer lineage tended to comprise some four to eight property-owning units which I call
property-groups."
http://orion.oac.uci.edu/~dbell/Gough.pdf

There is a loophole in the theory you posted, and I can drive a truck through it. What's astounding is that of all places close to Nepal(like Bihar or UP), Newars decided to migrate to Kerala??? This is another tin-foil hat theory, if you ask me.

There is not an iota of possibility that one can proclaim without a shadow of a doubt that one is "pure", whatever that means. Just think about this example. Suppose my great-grandmother cohabited with a bahun-looking Newar, chances are that the progeny is going to be bahun-looking too, and my great-grandfather wouldn't even have a clue. This type of mixing up must have occured in the past. With all that hormones raging, teens(and most people got married in their teens and hell preteens) will try to experiment. This leads to the result I described. The gotra system of course cannot be used to trace one's ancestry. What are you going to conclude from it, that one of your ancestors was Kashyap??

Australoids are of course not Africans. Australoids have distinct features, like straight hair, that differentiate them from Africans. The Siddhis of India on the other hand are of Ethiopian origin, brought to India by Arabs as slaves. India does not have pure Australoids, but the "taint" can be seen in the phenotypes of many South Indians and North-East Indians. North-Western Indians have been spared of the australoids. They look relatively "caucasoid".
As for purity in India, it is just a myth. Read this:
"To explore the impact of West Eurasians on contemporary Indian caste populations, we compared mtDNA (400 bp of hypervariable region 1 and 14 restriction site polymorphisms) and Y-chromosome (20 biallelic polymorphisms and 5 short tandem repeats) variation in ~265 males from eight castes of different rank to ~750 Africans, Asians, Europeans, and other Indians. For maternally inherited mtDNA, each caste is most similar to Asians. However, 20%-30% of Indian mtDNA haplotypes belong to West Eurasian haplogroups, and the frequency of these haplotypes is proportional to caste rank, the highest frequency of West Eurasian haplotypes being found in the upper castes."

http://www.genome.org/cgi/content/abstract/11/6/994?view=abstract

Well the whole theory about the nayars being of newar origin is actually written by a newar so it makes sense how they came up with the idea. ANd i don't believe keralites were newari coz its just absurd. In my distant faimly I have a relative that is married to a nayar brahmin, and looking at them whole relatives, none of them look chinese looking. IN onclusion i would just liek to say that, Newars are skeptical about everything, like where they are from. So obviously if you dont even know where ur from, your gonna make stupid theories and make up places you would come from. Like some say there are from rajesthan, because there is a place in rajesthan called MEWAR. WHOOOPIIEE just coz theers a place that is similar to the name doez that mean they are from there. For instance, there is a place called DHARAN in Saudi Arabia, and there is also another place called DHARAN in nepal, does that mean saudis came and established dharan in nepal???


Listen no matter how much you justify that newar brahmins are of indian origin, I would say, by just looking at them having chinkie features and their language being of SINO TIBETIAN, I would just flip my middle finger and say "YEAH THIS IS BRAHMIN TOO". Like i said earlier, brahmin is a preistly caste, so in sanskrit if you are a ethnic group from a preistly "caste" then the sanskrit root "BRAHMIN" can be implied, but you can not be a Hindu Brahmin of indian origin. First of all like you said before, newari brahmins don't keep their gotra? I've never really heard that in brahmin tradition, to prove that you are brahmin, you need your gotra. I mean look at any hindu marriage, the preist needs to know your gotra. And there are like 8 rishis the gotra follows from, and i know defentatly not one of them where chinkies.

Peace

I'm not a Newar brahmin. I'm a Pahari(Upadhyay) brahmin. Looks like you're quite soft on Indian brahmins because of your supposed marriage to an Indian brahmin. Brahmins from one location don't accept brahmins from another location for purposes of marriage. For example a Keralaite brahmin will more than likely not marry a Tamil Brahmin. There are regional differences. But what's sad is that you don't even know that you're not supposed to marry someone who belongs to your own Gotra. This is what you said earlier:
"And I'm married to a Indian Brahmin that has the same Kul Devta, same gotra and same origin as mine"

Same gotra? You basically abused what gotra stands for by marrying someone of the same gotra.

I find your analogy of Mewar/Newar to be quite hilarious. Nair also sounds like Newar if you ask me.
Newari brahmins, even though do not have their own gotra, do go through their bratabanda ritual. Nobody has imposed this on them. They had it even before other ethnicites arrived in Nepal.

Also, stop insulting "chinkies". Do something about your own soot-black face first.

Yeah well everyone knows that keralites don't like tamilians, infact no one in andhra pradesh likes tamilians, espically a telegu. It has nothing to do with caste, but just politics. And no im not soft because I'm married to a indian brahmin. if indias hate nepalese then it has to do with how they are portrayed, cleaning indian shit and being coolies in nepal. It's not because they are higher brahmin than another brahmin. I am an upadhay brahmin as well and i don't beleive in anything like a and upadhay brahmin being higher than jaisi brahmins or whatever. That law only holds in Nepal and was made by the Ranas. In india there is no such thing as first class brahmin and second class brahmin. You can marry someone in your gotras because for brahmins there are like 7-8 rishis that brahmin fall from and they take their name as a gotra. And there are millions of brahmins so obviously your gotra is gonna collide. It's which rishi's ligneage you follow.

Haha, bartavan is done by chettris too. and I don't have a black face. I have a light tone color with green eyes.

being coolies in India i mean

The reason why I brought the bratabanda thing was because bratabanda is specific among some groups only. Gurungs and Magars don't have to undergo bratabanda. It's specific to high castes.

OH ABOUT THE PRONOUNCIATION OF NAIR AND NEWAR. Nayar is pronounced NAIE YURR. ANd the root is NAYAK=leader.