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Posted on 01-11-06 11:31 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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- http://www.nynewsday.com/business/nyc-bzindia0111,0,7757281.story?coll=nyc-homepage-breaking2



Call centers hear the good, the bad, and the ugly American

BY MIKE McPHATE
SPECIAL TO NEWSDAY

January 11, 2006

NOIDA, India -- Debalina Das, a computer help-line agent in the southern Indian city of Hyderabad, punched the button last winter for a call from America.

"You Indian slut," came the man's voice, the 22-year-old recounted, "in some -- Third World country, roaming about naked without food and clothes, what do you know about computers? Have you ever seen one ... ? This company is just saving money by outsourcing to Third World countries like yours."


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Das, who quit after four months, said she learned to dislike Americans. "Rarely there are people who are good," she said by e-mail, "but then others remind me that all they believe in is cursing and they don't have respect for others."

Such is the sentiment among many workers in India's burgeoning call center industry. While irate calls are a mainstay of customer service work in any country, many here say they regularly face special abuse from Americans, whose tantrums are often spurred by anti-outsourcing opinion and are sometimes racially tinged.

Of the millions of calls patched daily between Indian agents and American customers, roughly 5 percent -- or more than 200,000 -- involve bigotry, say workers and industry analysts. The vitriol feeds a "searing anger" among employees, said Vinod Shetty, a Bombay-based lawyer who has formed a collective for call center workers. "A lot of trauma is caused."

India and the United States have in recent years enjoyed a budding friendship that leaders often ascribe to the countries' entwining societies.

India sends more students to American colleges than any other country. Indians form the wealthiest and one of the fastest growing immigrant groups in the United States. And in the past decade American companies have increasingly sought Indian consumers and employees.

Fueling the telephone tirades is outrage over outsourcing, a practice that is predicted to move 3.4 million U.S. service-sector jobs overseas by 2015, according to the consultancy Forrester Research. Most of the work comes to India, where young, low-cost employees handle a range of tasks for Americans -- they draw cartoons, interpret heart scans, adjudicate insurance claims, reserve flights and chase debtors.

An anti-outsourcing movement in the United States has drawn wide support as layoffs continue to mount at U.S. companies such as IBM, which is cutting 13,000 jobs in the United States and Europe as it adds 14,000 in India, according to the Washington Alliance of Technology Workers. In the first three months of last year, state legislators proposed 112 bills to curb the practice, according to the National Foundation for American Policy.

Some outsourcing opponents have let their ire for job-slashing chief executives veer toward India. Several contributors to the Internet forum Is Your Job Going Offshore?, for example, depict the Hindu-majority country as depraved: a haven for terrorists and wife-burners, a "giant leech," and a nation of "back-stabbing cowards."

Such commentary has helped shape a perception among India's customer care workers that Americans are intolerant. "Everybody thinks like that," said Samik Chowdhury, assistant manager at an IBM office in northern India. "Every time it's racism only."

That opinion is at odds with most urban Indians, who tend to admire America for its strength and entrepreneurial spirit. In a recent 16-country Pew poll, India returned the highest percentage of citizens with a favorable impression of the United States: 71 percent.

The less favorable view, though, is beginning to seep into Indian popular culture. The pilot scripts for a new sitcom called "The Call Center," slated to air this winter on the leading channel NDTV, depict Westerners as arrogant, immoral and comically rude.

The show's villain, the Indian manager of a call center, is an India-bashing blowhard, a disposition he picked up at an Ivy-league business school in the United States.

One of the episodes recreates a real-life exchange that occurred last January between an American and an Indian agent that has become notorious among the call center crowd here. On a Philadelphia-based radio show, host Troi Terrain telephoned an Indian call center pretending to order hair beads for his daughter and quickly turned vicious.

"Listen to me, you dirty rat eater," growled Terrain to muffled laughter in the studio. " ... You're a filthy rat eater. I'm calling about my American 6-year-old white girl. How dare you outsource my call?"

Indian offices have taken measures to thwart such attacks: agents often adopt anglicized names, undergo "accent neutralization" and U.S. cultural training, and sometimes claim to be located in the United States. Workers are taught to suffer attacks politely and try to calm customers. That failing, many offices offer the option to be transferred to agents in the United States.

These humiliations, say observers, are tolerated by a labor force that savors the opportunity to join India's growing middle class. With monthly incomes of about $200, call center employees enjoy upscale lifestyles in a country where one-third of its citizens are poverty-stricken.

"They feel like it is their duty" to swallow insults, said labor researcher Babu Remesh.

In the northern Indian city of Noida, a group of agents for SBC, the U.S. communications company, sat recently on the clipped grass in front of the silver-glassed office building where they field Americans' Internet connection problems. Callers often dismiss them the moment they detect their Indian accents, they say. "A whole lot of the time people are yelling," said Kapil Chawla, 23. "They just want to talk to an American."

Saurabh Jha, a blue-jeaned 22-year-old, said a Texas woman phoned recently and told him that thanks to outsourcing, "you are getting money, food, shelter. You should be starving."

She berated him for 12 minutes before she allowed him to offer advice that fixed her problem: to unplug her computer and plug it back in. "I was speechless," he said. "She didn't even give me a chance."

Mike McPhate is a freelance writer in New Delhi.
 
Posted on 01-11-06 4:23 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Birbhadra, if what you assert is true then why are big honchos(CEOs) of certain companies asserting that jobs are going abroad because people working abroad are just as intelligent as Americans, but do the same job at a much lower price? Even Bill Gates is okay with outsourcing. Bill Gates has set up a branch of Microsoft in China. And it has been a boon to his company.
The notion that these Indian call center workers are totally inept at what they are doing is based on a stereotype of foreigners. Basically, what happens is that one guy has a bad experience with a customer service agent who incidentally happens to be in India, and he tells his friend about his experience, and this thing catches on like wild fire. There is no proof that these people are bad at their jobs. If so were the case, wouldn't the case be that companies would think twice before going to India or other countries where wages are low? That's not happening though. Most analysts predict that the outsourcing trend will continue, and for a reason. Companies wanna make as much money as possible. It's such a simple thing to grasp.
 
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I have had a few bad experiences with these agents as well, but they happened to be Whites. Am I okay to think that Whites can't do their duties that well, or would that be a stereotype?
Another stereotype I keep on hearing: codes written by Indians happen to be inefficient/full of errors. Oh, is that so? If they're so bad at what they're doing, and companies lose money rather than make money because of hiring Indians, then why are they *still* sending jobs to India? Or are these people complaining just a loud group of laid off workers with a major chip on their shoulders?
There is no proof that Indian programmers are bad.
 
Posted on 01-11-06 5:22 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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thugged out,

read my last line i did not stereotype anyone i just said they don't have trained people these days be it here or anywhere else
 
Posted on 01-11-06 5:41 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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My second post wasn't directed at you. It was just an off-hand remark.
 
Posted on 01-11-06 5:43 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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My post on another thread related to the same article:

A quick comment of the racial aspect of this : I hope with time Indian and other call center workers will learn to give back to such bigots a bit of their own medicine.

That being said, the nature of customer service is such that it sometimes (or often depending on the type of customer service) involves taking shit from others. The best way, in my opinion, to deal with shit is to give it back. Directly when you can and in a subtle way when you must.

I have confidence that companies in India will be able to apply the lessons learnt from incidents like these to better train their people to handle difficult clients like those mentioned in the article. I also feel increased automation of technical support and the maturing of software engineering will reduce the need for human support - Indian or American - of technology in the future .

My 2 cents.
 
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Posted on 01-11-06 6:45 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Call centre gives money even for training and if you don't complete the training also they will still give you the money that you attended for the training...yes most of the people who work in call centre over here is high school or college student...I just think customer service job is emotionally hard..So the call centre people hire people every week...and while giving training also they tell us that its common to deal with different types of people.....can you imagine how much money these big companies waste money in customer service???most of the people wont even work for more than year... you need to deal with different types of people where ever you are USA or India..so i don't think that should be make big issue....i have already told verbal abusing is common here also,not only in india......and i don't say that there is nobody's fault...sometimes customer representative cannnot explain and the customer will become pissed off..and i personally have seen that some customer start verbal abusing without even explaining what's the problem........ It is not like you will meet bad people...even you will find many nice people ...more nice and less bad people .....
just my opinion...
 



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