When i was a kid (or when i was in Nepal), i used to believe in God. I did however have reservations on religion but i still believed in God. Its been a year in US now and having met people from other cultures, the existence of a supreme being doesnt make sense anymore. 

I think that believeing in GOd instills in a person faith, confidence and positivity to get through good times and be appreciative of the bad ones. I want my children to have these qualities so i dont want to tell them that GOd doesnt exist. Moreover, i cant imagine what my parents/relatives will make of me when i talk to them about this. It isnt going to be pretty. 

It does give me great discomfort to think about all this. I must admit i feel less confident and more pessimistic these days. I want to believe in God but my logic doesnt give in anymore. In fact, i get irritated when i hear things like "God COMMANDED you to.." "GOd will PUNISH you if..", "We are SERVANTS in from of Him" "(on Christianity): "Jesus died on the cross for you"(THere are many who have made a similar magnitude of sacrifice). 

I think that God and religion are ancient theories that havent been discarded yet. And it hasnt due to the fear in people of what might happen if they didnt. One of my teachers once said "if there is no god and you believe in god, there is no harm but if there is god and you dont believe in god, there is harm". i feel this and cultural and social stigmas lead people to be religious and not question their beliefs. 

I wanna know what you guys make of this.

homey ji,

Did i say i believe in PN shah? nope there is no absolute certainty because i did not meet him or see him in person, do i think he existed based on the evidence? yes absolutely, Why?  with all the evidence pointing to his existence, his kingdom, his lineage,  even his enemies talk of him to this day (some Kirtipur basindas still hate his guts for what he did to their ancestors), the historic time line, official history of Nepal says he so called "unified" Nepal. I believe that there is credible evidence that PN Shah did exist. However, if you have evidence to the contrary or proof that would discredit this, I'm open to it.

Of course. There are literally HUNDREDS of INDEPENDENT, CONTEMPORARY, CREDIBLE, and CORROBORATING reports of his entire life from MULTIPLE cultures, friends, and foes, and from MULTIPLE fields ranging from legal documents, geography accounts etc.  please go to chauni museum and gorkha palace.




what evidence do you have of existence of an imaginary friend of yours?

Chaurey,

You are so gullible, my friend. You believe in Prithvi Narayan Shah? Ha ha ha.
What is the proof of his existence my friend? Ha ha ha. His enemies talk of him? And that made you believe in PN Shah? You are making me laugh so hard.

Who are these so called enemies of PN Shah? Ha ha ha. I would also like to meet them. Oh my goodness, I could introduce you to so many people who consider ghosts their enemies. And yes, these people are very afraid of ghosts. Does that make ghosts real to you, Chaurey?

Where is your proof of Prithvi Narayan Shah? I can't believe you are so weak-minded that you need to believe in PN Shah. LOL.

as i pointed out, go to gorkha palace, go to chauni museum go to kirtipur durbar and do some research before you laugh out loud.

again what is the disproving factors that you have of PN shah's non existence?

and what is the proof you have of GOD's existence?

 Chaurey bro,
Did you perform DNA test to verify your parents? 

and how is that relevant ? if i want to be absolutely sure i can correct? is there a test as such that i can perform to find proof for existence of GOD? let me know

Chaurey,

You think you know everything. You are very arrogant and close minded. You need to open up your narrow-mind and smell the roses, my friend, and listen. I suggest you read this:

Seven Steps When Learning Really Important Life Lessons

How quickly one can go through these phases may define how open minded someone can be about learning something new. There is no hurry. One may take all the time in the world moving forward. Simply being honest and humble with oneself and others is the main requirement.

So here it goes:

1. IDEALISTIC

Wonderful. I know what I want and I know why. My ideals are solid and I'm right. Of course I'm right! I have my ideals, and fair enough, I have many reasons to be idealistic. And that can be a good thing!

But just when I thought I was cool, someone comes to me and presents me with a whole new and sound concept that may go against my idealistic perspective. After some honest debate or the simple acceptance of my ignorance, I then becomes Frustrated because I realize I'm not as 'cool' as I once thought I was.

Needless to say, this stage is always the most difficult to deal with. An overly idealistic state can be surrounded by hubris, and hubris is the ultimate killer of learning. So I know that if I am to learn something new I must be humble and accept that I may not know it all.

However honest I am, here comes the following progressive emotional reactions upon learning something new contradicting my original idealist views.

2. FRUSTRATED

This state of frustration is some sort of anger. It really sucks being wrong, and even more so when proved wrong. So I'm angry, and rightfully so. And subsequently I become Defiant also. That can't be true!

3. DEFIANT

Even if it means a few seconds... or a lifetime, this state of defiance is actually quite natural and it can be used for further learning. At least I'm feeling something. I now know that I will have to Synthesize such new data and this can be painful. But I know I have to do it if I'm to be cool again. That nagging feeling that I was actually not so correct in my assumptions hurts the ego.

So sure enough at some point I simply, Resign!

4. RESIGNED

I give up on it. I just don't want to talk about it, hear about it, and I don't care. I will go to sleep and eat chocolates. Maybe that will bring some Awareness..

5. AWARE

If I'm serious about learning and once some of these emotions are under control, I realize that I am now aware that I may have actually learned something new. Being aware means to accept it, and in fact I am grateful for such learning experience itself.

Now I need to do something about it.

6. DECISIVE

Now I can make better decisions based on my Awareness of what I have learned.

7. COMMITTED

Inevitably I commit myself to action, which is where anything really happens as the change I want to see.

I can easily become paralyzed in any of these phases for any indefinite period of time, or I can also go through these in one single day; depending on the depth of the subject and its relevance.

The main danger is always pride. Since the cycle repeats itself, once I think I am Aware and Committed I may also become Overly Idealistic again.

Knowing these has helped me go through a few things, become more accepting, and not so jaded simply because I don't know something and can't do anything about it. It's a good way to simply accept the learning process for what it is.

 

 

Homey brah! i have never said anywhere that i know everything but i can tell you this that i know nothing about proof of existence of god

what is this thesis you copy pasted? Is that your answer to the evidence pointing to existence of god? still waiting!

 homey ji, its nice of you to share your article with us, but i must say you have kept your position as equivocal as possible, you seem to empathize with the confused "middle" position, but don't mention clearly whether you identify yourself as one of them or not.
I'm an athiest, and let me know about your belief in (or the lack of ) God(s)(desses) if you think we can have an intellectual conversation. 
And by the way, I do believe that Prithvi Narayan Shah existed. 

Chaurey,

You are asking me to go gorkha palace and chauni museum and kirtipur durbar for PN Shah's existence? 

My friend, I suggest you go to the Budhanilkantha statue lying down, go to the Krishna mandir in Patan, and you will find proof of God.

You are such a fool to believe Prithi Narayan Shah was real. It is foolish Nepalese like you that have ruined Nepal.

hahaha is that the best you can come up with? im asking you to go to these places and read the historic scriptures, official transcrpits do some historic research, do an independent analysis if you don't think you believe in official history of Nepal, and what am i going to be looking at budhanilkantha statue? a fkin statue created by man and that's the proof of god's existence? seriously?

 homey ji,
so you recommend chaurey to go to Budhanilkantha, and Krishna Mandir? why not to Mecca in Saudi Arabia, or to the Vatican in Rome? Are you being biased towards gods? no good! 
And you consider him "fool" to believe that PNS existed, and God does not? Apparently we have a stark difference here regarding our definition of intelligence or foolishness.   

Chaurey,

If documents are what you are looking for proof, read the Bhagavad-gita. Read the Mahabharat. Heck, read the whole Vedas for crying out loud. I don't think the world lacks literature. What are you complaining for?

I want to know how deep your search for God was. Where all did you search for him? Or did you just trust other people to do your homework for you? You seem like a lazy kind of person who doesn't want to read the books and literature out there and you don't want to go to places like mandirs. And you want to sit at home, with your eyes closed, smoking ganja and simply crying and complaining "booo hoo hoo...there is no God, there is no god."

Stop being a cry-baby and go do your homework!

homey ji,

are you talking about the same bhagwat geeta  that tells us "whatever happens, happens for good" .....do you think a nepali prostitute sold in bombay would have the same belief that whatever is happening to her is happening for good? is god in your mind playing pick and  choose, choosing the fortunate ones and leaving these prostitutes, rape victims, murder victim, molestation victims etc to fend for themselves?

anyway am i supposed to read these books because they have evidence of proof of god's existence? and how and where does it provide any concrete proof? can you specify please. If you want me to read these books on the account of having me build a moral base then i don't need these mythological fictious tales to tell me how i should live my life. My moralitly and ethics and the way i live my life comes from my own self and not from any fictious work. More so bhagwat geeta, mahabharat, ramayan comprises of mythological stories than reality (if any).  Why should i not follow bible and quaran for that matter as the poster below me has said.
Let me assure you, i have been to mandirs (being raised in a hindu family),church, gurudwara and gumba...none of those places to date have any proof of existence of god....it's like people talk all the philosopical BS that can be taught without the help of a GOD figure....
you are completely avoiding the question of proof of existence of GOD.....

homey ji,
is Gita and the Ved better than the Bible and the Kuran? If yes on what basis?
Should we or should we not eat beef? 
Please enlighten me.

Homeji

Your comment on verirying Prithvi narayan shah is not contextual in this discussion at all.

PNS is just another common human being who happened to be born in royal family so he had back up of army and he killed a lot of people and captured a lot of towns. What is there to be amazed and beholded by someone who had performed everything dictated by the laws of physics and the laws of life?

There is no leap of faith needed to believe that some other human being existed at some point in history.

What does require a leap of faith is to believe that there is an all powerful God that created everything. Most religiously fanatic people have one thing in common - they don't have a firm base or understanding of life so in order to explain the reason for their life they have to believe in God to feel good about themselves by believing they are part of a something big and divine instead of facing the reality that they are only akin to a nameless, existenceless insect that roams the earth and who can be stepped onto and it's life breath taken away without any hue and cry that is felt during one's ego centric existence as human being due to the higher level of intelligence we have.

In my opinion having to take a leap of faith to believe in God shows that you are an insecure perso who cannot appreciate reality.

Chaurey is right, there is no proof of God at all. If you ask him to read the Gita or other religious books then you indeed have no clue sir. Why don't you read the book of cinderella and believe that your pumpkin wll turn into a chariot. Those books are just stories and just because you don't know who the author you can't attribute it to some devine writing.

Back in those days people had nothing better to do than try to come up with some stories to try to control and own others.

Well let me tell you my brother steak with medium rare or well done is appreciated everywhere!even the pandits wish we would offer them a juicy ribeye or t bone. That's my view about religion........

Chaurey,

Can you remain focussed on the topic instead of talking from all sides of your mouth please? It is no wonder you cannot find proof of God. Dude, you have no focus. Stay focussed, at least. Please. Otherwise what hope is there for you to find god? Shoot, you won't even find your pencil next to you without focus.

OK. So I am still waiting to hear back from you about your proof of Prithvi Narayan Shah. You can't even provide proof of this mythical character that people created out of a need for security named Prithvi Narayan Shah, and you expect to look for God?

Ha ha ha.

My friend, Prithvi Narayan Shah is a myth. He is like Robin Hood. It was a myth that was created just to scare weak-minded Nepalese like you. It was to inspire some Nepalese while scaring other ones. Wake up and smell the flowers, my friend.

Also, Santa-claus is not real. The tooth fairy is also real. Knowing how gullible you are, all this might be news to you.

 homey ji,
i tried hard no to laugh at your profile picture of the clown but your utterly idiotic, bizzare, rubbish thoughts left me with no choices. 
ROTFL 

go out and do some research.......disprove the official Nepali history that says PN shah was a king that really existed.... if you provide "EVIDENCE" based on your research you have the ability to change the official history of NEPAL and thereby change my mind....BUT what does that  do to the underlying argument of proof of existence of GOD? absolutely nothing......without evidence your point of PN shah's non existence and tryig to relate that to being the same argument as NO proof of existence of GOD is absolutely nuts!

GOD's existence  is NOT a historically verified truth..... your way of comparing belief in GOD's existence vs PN Shah's existence is NOT the same. There has never been any verification or official account and/or evidence that GOD ever existed or exists..

Chaurey,

Talk rationally. What is not the same?