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गाई काटेको निहुँमा झडप


भैरहवा। रुपन्देहीको विष्णुपुरा गाविसमा करिब १५ दिन अगाडि एक मुसलमान परिवारले विवाहमा गाई काटेको विषयलाई लिएर प्रहरी र स्थानीय समूहबीच आज भएको झडपमा छ जना घाइते भएका छन्।  सो झडपपछि स्थानीय प्रशासनले त्यस क्षेत्रका विष्णुपुरा, एकला, जोगडा, रुद्रपुर, सूर्यपुरा र धमौली गाविसमा आज दिउँसो साढे दुई बजेदेखि अनिश्चित समयका लागि निषेधाज्ञा जारी गरेको छ।

घटना विवरणअनुसार भैरहवादेखि करिब २२ किमी दक्षिणमा पर्ने विष्णुपुरा गाविसको गिदैया भन्ने गाउँमा १५ दिन अगाडि भगेलु निबाद मुसलमानले छोराको विवाहमा गाई काटेको आरोप लगाउँदै मधेसी जनअधिकार फोरम निकट राममिलन केवटले आवश्यक कारबाहीको माग गर्दै जिल्ला प्रहरी कार्यालय, रुपन्देहीमा उजुरी दिएका थिए। सो विषयमा प्रहरीले पटकपटक छलफल गराउँदा पनि सहमति हुनसकेको थिएन। मुसलमानले आफूले गाई नकाटेको दावी गर्दै आएका थिए भने केवट पक्षले भने काटेको दावी गर्दै आएका थिए। तर प्रहरीले गाई काटेको कुनै प्रमाण फेला नपरेकाले कारबाही गर्न कठिन भएको जनाएको थियो।

समस्या समाधानका लागि प्रहरीले फोरमका जिल्ला स्तरीय नेताको उपस्थितिमा आज छलफल गराएको थियो। तर छलफलमा मुसलमान उपस्थित नभएकाले केवट पक्षको समूहले मुसलमानको घर घेराउ गरी तोडफोड गर्न थालेपछि प्रहरी र स्थानीय समूहबीच दिउँसो एक बजेदेखि झडप सुरु भएको जिल्ला प्रहरी कार्यालय, रुपन्देहीका प्रहरी नायब उपरीक्षक खिनुप्रसाद आचार्यले बताउनुभयो। उहाँका अनुसार स्थितिलाई नियन्त्रणमा लिन प्रहरीले १६ राउन्ड हवाई फायर गरेको छ भने प्रहरीतर्फ छ जना घाइते भएका छन्।

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    The Hindu term for caste, a social division into which a person is born. There are four major castes in Hindu society: Brahmin, kshatriya, vaishya, and shudra. The first three castes are considered "twice-born." Each Varna can be divided into a number of jatis. Below these four varnas are the untouchables.

Anyone who seriously studies the Hindu ures cannot disagree of the abuses heaped on Shudras. (Shudras include all Scheduled castes, the backward classes and the backward tribes in addition to the so-called Harijans.

Perhaps, keeping these in mind L.R. Bali has aptly titled his book on Hindu religion as “Hindu religion or Hindu slur?”

‘Don't teach a Shudra’ – Skand Puran, Vaishnav Kand, Chapter 19.
Low caste people should not be imparted any knowledge. If a teacher tries to preach a Shudra, he would be a victim of many and evil. If a Brahmin teaches a Shudra, other Brahmins should boycott him. Such a Brahmin teacher must be shunned as if he was a ‘Chandal’ and also driven out of the village, educated Shudras should also be ousted. - Brahma Kand Chapter 10.

Punishment for learning to the Vedas

Another injunctions say that the Shudras should be strictly kept away from the Vedas. It is mentioned in the ‘Gautam Dharm Sutra’ that: “If a Shudra happens to hear the Vedic hymns, molten metal should be poured into his ears. If he chants the things he must be slashed with axes etc.

Punishment for seeking equality: Again according to Gautam Dharm Sutra, “If a Shudra ventures to sit on the same level or to sleep in the same bed or to walk on the seem road or to talk as the twice born (Brahmin, Kshatriya and Vaishya), he must be subjected to various punishments. – Gautam Dharam Sutra 2/3/5.

Monu has defined the nature of punishment to be given to the Shudra who dares to sit on the same seat as a Brahmin King. For such a crime a Shudra should be banished from the country after being branded with a red-hot iron or else his buttocks must be sliced away. – Manusmriti 8/281.

 ‘Manusmriti’ says a Shudra must be treated in such a way as a dacoit treats his victim. Allowing the forcible seizing of the possessions of a Shudra the smriti says: “If a sacrifice in not be completed owing to lack of resources a Vaishya may be approached for funds if he fails to rise to the occasion, necessary funds could be acquired from a rich Shudra by hook or by crook because a Shudra does not have anything to do in a sacrifice.” – Manusmriti 11/13.

Such injunctions are found in other parts of the Manusmriti also (Refer 18/4/7): “According to this verse of Brahmin could take away of Shudras property because a Shudra is not expected to possess any wealth. His master alone has the right to own his (Shudra’s) wealth.” – Manusmriti 8/417.

Slave by birth

The Hindu Dharam Shastras says Shudras are slaves by birth. ‘Manusmriti’ says that God has created Shudras to do menial work for Brahmins.  Therefore, he must be treated like a slave. – Manusmriti 8/413.

Rate of interest
The Dharam Shastras give the sanction to realize the highest rate of interest from Shudras. (8/142 ibid.): “The Brahmins, the Kshatriyas, the Vaishya’s end the Shudras are entitled to pay the rate of interest 2, 3, 4 and 5 percent respectively.

Restrictions on marriage
‘Manusmriti’ declares that of Shudra cannot marry a girl from outside his caste.  But a Brahmin can marry in the other three castes also in addition to his own.  Similarly Kshatriyas and Vaishyas are allowed to marry girls from castes lower than their own castes. (Vide 13/131 Manusmriti).
Surnames off the Shudras

It is also mentioned in Dharam Shastras that the names of Shudras should reflect their state of bondman ship.  In other words, the epithet 'Das' should be tagged to the names of Shudras. (Manusmriti 2/32).

Like ‘Manusmriti’, ‘Yamasmriti’ also enjoins that the word ‘Das’ must be attached to a Shudras name.

Similar injunctions are found in other Hindu Shastras also. Even books on grammar and poetry do not lag behind.  Panini wrote in his ‘Astadhyayi’ that a respectable person need not use the protracted sound to a Shudra while reciprocating a salvation.  But in the case of the other three castes he has to use it. (Panini 8/2/83).

According to 'Natya Shastra,' Shudras are to be seated near the blue pillar on the north-eastern side of the stage. (Sanskrit Drama P. 386). It also says the Shudra characters should appear dressed in blue color. (Ibid-P. 394-395).

The heroes of Sanskrit drama, must be of a noble descent. (Sahitya Darpan 3/30) and those of ‘Mahakavyas’ (epics) are to be Gods or Kshatriyas or people belonging to noble descent. – Sahitya Darpan 6/316.

 Again there is a specification of languages spoken by the characters in the sanskrit drama.  The nobility speaks Sanskrit, the lower caste characters Prakrit and the lowest castes, Paisahchi or Magadhi. (‘Dasarupakam’ 2/64-65.)


 It is said in the Hindu Dharma Shastras that even the touch of a Shudra makes a high caste Hindu unholy. Therefore, one should shun even the shadow of a Shudra.

The ‘Samvart Smriti’ says that the touch of a sweeper, a fallen person, a corpse, a woman having excessive bleeding during her menstrual period, and a woman having had a recent childbirth, defiles a person.  He should take bath if he is touched with these.

 Not content with this illogical command, the law books go to the extent of saying that even the sight of the Shudra can pollute a high caste Hindu.

It is mentioned in the 'Parashar smriti' (6/24) that when one gets defiled by the site of a scavenger, the impurity can be removed by looking at the sun.

'Vyas smriti (1/22/12) says Baniyas, Kiratas, Kayasthas, Malis, Chandal's etc. are untouchables. Mere conversation with these people makes a twice born impure and the impurity can be removed by taking a bath. Similarly, impurity caused by the sight of them will be removed by looking at the sun.

The statements of the Dharma Shastras regarding sub-castes among Shudras are highly reprehensible.  The following verses appear in the 10th chapter of the ‘Manusmriti’ bear testimony to the the global attitude shown towards the Chandal's and the Svpachs (dog Meat eating Shudras): “The dwellings of the Chandal's and the Svapachs must lie on the outskirts off the village.  They can possess only dogs and donkeys as their wealth and they can wear only the clothes removed from the dead bodies. Their ornaments must be made of bronze and they can use only old and broken utensils to cook food. After doing his work, a Chandal must go back to his hut and he should not stand on the streets unnecessarily. He can marry within his caste only.  Food should be served to these low castes in broken vessels and that also through servants.  A Chandal cannot move in the town and village during night. He must bear Government’s seal on his person while attending to duty. A Chandal's duties include disposal of unclaimed bodies and execution of the condemned criminals, according to the injunctions of the Shastras than the orders of the king. (verses 1051 – 1056)

Inferior to animals


Not only human beings but even God's gets impure by the touch of the Shudra.  A verse in the ‘Buddh Harith Smriti’ reads thus: “What should be done if a Shudra enters the outer courtyard of a temple or any other religious place? Making a cow walk on it and after that by smearing the floor with cow urine should purify such a place.


These statements to the show that even animals and a urine and given a better treatment their Shudras.


According to ‘Karika Vriti’, if a Chandal happens to defiles the courtyard of Shiv temple or Vishnu temple by his presence, the area measuring about Hundred meters surrounding the temple must be cleansed.


A Chandal could not take part  in any village function. The 'vriti' that's for the that calamities, like the decile in the powers of the presiding deity of the temple, death of the king and destruction of the village and standing crops etc., would occur if proper measures to purify are not begun in time.


“Thus the defilement of temple premises by the touch of a Shudra could prove disastrous to the king as well as to the country.  However, the danger could be prevented by performing appropriate rites like sneering the place with cow dung etc.”


Here, once again, more importance is given to the excreta of animals then to the human beings.


A detailed deion of the measures to be taken when the temple premises etc. become unholy by Shudras is given in the 'Padmtantra’ Ch. 18: “First cleans the floor with a daub of cow dung and perform the rites to purify the place. After that give food to Brahmins. This must be followed by Vedic chanting and nonstop readings from the Purans.  Cows must be shattered at proper places in the vicinity of the temple. This process must be continued for do or four months depending on the gravity of the scene.  After this entity of the temple has been restored, the Brahmins, who chanted the hymns and read the Purans, should be appropriately rewarded.  The temple's must be renovated and new idols installed accompanied by proper ceremonies. After the installation, the idols must be washed with 1000 pots of water.  And finally a grand festival should be arranged.  It would prove harmful to both the king's and the country in the cleansing was not properly performed.

Animal waste superior to Shudras


The Shastras also proclaimed that animals excreta is superior to Shudras because drinking of cows urine would purify the person defined by the touch of Shudra. (Samvart Smriti 183).


'Samvart Smriti' says if anyone belonging to the twice born category (Brahmin, Kshatriyas and Vaishya) happened take water by mistake from a holy place or from a river where Shudras what engaged in work, he should purify himself by taking 'panchagavya' –a preparation of cow dung, cow urine, milk curd and ghee.
According to ‘Prashar Smriti’ if a twice born drinks water by mistake from a well that by Shudra he should fast for 24 hours. Again if the drinks the water from the well which had become impure by the touch of utensil belonging to a sweeper, he has to drink cow urine and eat barley soaked in cow's urine for period of three days. (Parasara Smriti Ch. 6).

The impurity caused by the touch of the Shudra is infectious if ures are the believed.  For, even an indirect touch of the Shudra can defile a caste Hindu.  In other words, a twice born can become impure if he is touched by those who have become polluted by coming in contact with the Shudra.

It is mentioned in the ‘Apastambh Smriti’ that a twice born after observing fast for one day and one night had to take ‘Panchgavya’ if he gets polluted by the contact of those who themselves were defiled by drinking water from the well made impure by a Shudra.

Shudra’s divided

The Hindu lawgivers have tried their best to sow the seed of rift among Shudras themselves. They took great care to keep Shudras divided so that the question of their coming together could not arise.

According to ‘Parashar Smriti,’ Chapter 6, if a twice born vomits the water which he drank from the vessel belonging to a scavenger, he can get over the sin by observing ‘Prajapaty’ vow. In case he fails to vomit and it gets absorbed in his body, he must observe the ‘Chandrayan’ vow.

Even these vows have been categorized: ‘Santapan’ for Brahmins, ‘Prajapaty’ for Kshatriyas and ‘Ardh Prajapatya’ for Vaishyas.

If a twice born or a Shudra happens to drink water on milk or God from the vessel of an outcast Chandal, the former can escape from the scene by observing ‘Brahm Varchas’ vow and the later by austerity and charity according to his capacity.

‘Atri Smriti’ also corroborates this practice of atonement of sin with the slight difference. It recommends ‘Chandrayan’ for Brahmins and ‘Santapan’ for Kshatriyas. Vaishyas have to drink ‘Panchgavya’, after observing simple fast for six nights and a Shudra can mitigate the sin by charity after three nights fast.
Right of inheritance

The Hindu law books say that Shudras can marry within their caste only, whereas the twice born are allowed to marry from lower Castes besides their own. That means all of the upper caste men could marry Shudra girls.  But the children born of the Shudra woman to a twice born do not have equal rights of inheritance with those born of woman belonging to other three Castes.

According to Manusmriti (9/151), a son born of a Brahmin woman is entitled to inherit three parts of his father’s property, if born to a Kshatriya woman two parts, if born to a Vaishya woman 1.5 parts, while if born to a Shudra woman, 1 part only.

Ban on piety

Death is the reward for a Shudra who performs sacrifices and other religious rites.

Atri Smriti says the king must execute the Shudra who performs sacrifices etc. If he fails to do so, his country would be destroyed like fire by water.

An episode in the ‘Valmiki Ramayan’ says a Brahmin put the blame for the death of his young son on Lord Ram. Then Narad came and explained to Ram that the death was owing to the illegitimate ascetism of the Shudra.

In another context, it is said that Ram saw a boy in the direction of South doing penance. When Ram asked the boy reason for his penance, he replied that he wanted to conquer the ‘Devlok’ and then attain God-hood.  He introduced himself as a Shudra named Sambuka.  When Ram came to know the identity of the boy, he immediately killed him with his sword.  And the gods expressed their gratitude by showering praises on Ram.

As simple as killing of frog

According to the Dharma Shastra, one can take the life of the Shudra in the same manner as one can do in the case of lesser animals like frogs, crows and owl’s.

Manusmriti says one can atone for the sin of killing animals like cats and dogs by observing the same vow as one does after killing the Shudra. – Manusmriti 11/131.
Disparity in legal matters

‘Manusmriti’ forbids a Shudra from giving evidence in the lawsuit involving Brahmins.  Similarly, a Brahmin cannot give evidence in the Shudra’s case.  Shudras alone can appear as witnesses in the case involving Shudras and the same applies to scavengers also. (‘Manusmriti’ 8/68).

If Kshatriya utters harsh words to a Brahmin, he has to pay a penalty of Hundred coins.  In the case of Vaishya, it is raised to 200 coins.  But a Shudra has to be given a death sentence for the same offense.  On the contrary, the gravity of punishment is highly reduced when it is directed against a Brahmin.  He has to pay 50 coins to a Kshatriya and 25 coins to the Vaishya and only 12 coins to a Shudra for committing a crime of impetuosity. (‘Manusmriti Ch. 8).

In short, the ures provide maximum punishment for Shudras while the other castes get lesser punishment for the same kind of offense.

The tongue of the Shudra who utters harsh words against the twice born must be cut, says Manusmriti.  If they Shudra who announces the name and surname of the twice born or utters impertinent words like “Hey Yagnadatt you are a low Brahmin” etc., a 10 in. long red-hot iron nail is to be thrust into his mouth. – Manusmriti Ch. 8.

Ironically, a Shudra is punished even for doing good deeds.  Religious preaching was considered to be righteous act, but Manusmriti says that hot oil must be poured into the mouth and ear of the Shudra who dares to preach a Brahmin.

When the Shudra or a Chandal assaults member of the upper Castes, the very limb with which he had hit must be cut.
Even the Adi Shankaracharya whom the modern Shankaracharyas represent, condemned the Shudras and recommended punishment if they happen to chant or hear Vedic hymns. (‘Brahma Sutra Bhasyam’ 1/3/34-38).

Instructions regarding the treatment to be given to the Shudras can be found in the Purans also.
‘Vayu’ and ‘Brahmanand’ Purans recommended craftsmanship and menial service as the only avocations for Shudras.

The Purans take great care to perpetuate the religious exploitation of Shudras.
‘Vishnu’ Puran says the Brahmin who performs a sacrifice for a Shudra would go to hell. (‘Vishnu Purana’ 2/6/18)
The same attitude is reflected in ‘Vishnu smriti’ and ‘Manusmriti’.

After going through all this, every Human Being would feel the need to Destroy the Hindu Society. So lets wake up and unite to change the attitude of all the fanatics for the benefit of the society. If we don't do this, Hinduism will exist in the museum. We need to go back to pre-Vedic religions.
A religion where varna doesn not exist. A religion, our parampara which the aboriginal people in the Indian sub-continent have been practising since immorial time.
One thing about present Nepal government has done good is the kicking out Indian's priest from the Pashupathinath temple recently.
I don't mind dalits/shudras/kiratis to officiate the temple. If Pashupathinath temple is officiated by dalits and Kiratis, it recapture two essence here.
1. reviving the past of Kirateswor Pashupatinath.
2. the glory of the caste less Nepal again.

This ensures that Hinduism will continue to flourish in Nepal.

Jai Mahadev, Jai Nepal

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As a now (June 7, 2009 @ 10:15pm CDT), 47% do not have any issues with the expansion. 43% would like to reverse

the expansion by peaceful means. People wanting to reverse expansion using violence or wanting Hindus to start

converting non Hindus is negligible.

As for the people wanting to reverse using non violents methods, I only see the following 1 method so far proposed by JPEG.

1) Re-educate people with true Hinduism (Pre-vedic). Pre-vedic system did not have class system other negative

aspects of Hinduism that people are running away from and into the arms of Christianty.

Those of you who voted for non violent methods, do you have any more methods?

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And Sidster,

Your comment on how there is no need to convert shows how ignorant of a baffoon you are.  If I want to convert who the fug are you to come and tell me not to ?  If I am not happy with my current religion it is MY choice to convert and not YOURS or the SOCIETY's AUTHORITY to DICKTATE me. 

Power Ranger,


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If we do nothing against this expansion, Hinduism in Nepal will become a minority religion soon. A lot of people are not looking forward to see that happen and want to do something about it by peaceful means. One of the peaceful means is to re-educate the people of Nepal to true Hinduism. True Hinduism is core Hinduism minus all the funny stuffs like caste, untouchables, superstitions, etc. Re-education rather than doing nothing should slow this expansion. If it does not then we need to come up with something that works.


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Sidster and Bob:
The things that you talk about is not about religion as such but about people. People can be bad and this is one thing we christians acknowledge and where there are a group of people there will always be politics, power struggle be it a Church or a country and so there is no surprize that there are priests who rape children because they are just using religion for themselves. But i think when we talk about religion we should be talking about the philosophy, the meaning of it and all that not the people. Havn't you heard of pastors in US hoarding money, that is no different than pujaris of pashupti taking all the cash. the same pastors will be teaching about self discipline and giving but it is upto me to be angry at them or practice the good things i believe in my religion.




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Christian competition is actually good for the society. This competition has forced us to look into ourselves and ask what is wrong with our Hindu religion and make changes.

  • We should clean the Hindu religion of all the bad things. Hindu religion should denounce caste system, superstitions, and embrace untouchables, etc.
  • We should not use violence. Violence is so old fashioned.

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Why don't you spread the good news of Hinduism...i am all ears here.....
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I am not telling anyone whether or not to switch the religion here. I am only expressing my opinion that if you believe in humanity there is no need for a religion or the conversion. I have seen your constipated comments before. I understand that it makes you feel smarter when you call others ignorant. Pull your head out of your ass its a beautiful day out, its in the 80s, doesn't hurt to let your head see some sunlight sometimes.
And if your religion is not making you happy please switch it to the one that makes you most happy and save us from the misery. If switching a religion is going to make you happier and not constipated please do us a favor and switch it to whatever religion you prefer.


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Power Ranger,"If we do nothing against this expansion, Hinduism in Nepal will become a minority religion soon. A lot of people are not looking forward to see that happen and want to do something about it by peaceful means. "

ha ha ha This just shows how ignorant you are.  There are other people living in Nepal besides Hindus, you are talking as if Hindus are the only people living in Nepal.  The Hindu religion's ignorance has brought this situation upon us. If Hindus had treated everyone fairly, they would not be in the predicament they are in now and feel threatened.  I mean look at yourself ... he he you seem like a well educated person ..... he he  and yet you are talking like a Hindu Taliban.  If Hindus had not supressed the lower caste Nepali citizens and the minority ethnic Nepalis the way they did this situation would not have crop up in the first place.


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I do not believe in any religion btw. ha ha ha  AMONGST ALL CHRISTIANS THE BORN AGAIN ARE THE WORST.  Perfect example ... George Bush and all his right wing cronies who would rather let Bible(a book written more than a 1000yrs ago) dicktate their life in this modernday world literally. ha ha ha They are no different than the Muslim Talibans, all they do is thump their Bible and tell what it says(totally disregarding logic and reasoning). 



I have seen your diarrhea mouthed smartass coments too, he he And for your kind information I am an atheist and do not believe in god as you know.  And oh yeah its your Diarrhea Mouth that is causing my constipation. ha ha ha

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 I am happy nepal is a secular country. Coz now all religions have equal say.

 well for most part, it is true and sad, Hinduism is bullshit religion. Just take an example of pashupati, they don't allow kuirey to visit. Whereas in any chruch, any1 can drop in. Corrupt people have totally corrupted the religion. Especially bahun mentality people, who have used their religion to maintian some sort of status in the society. Nowdays, even pahsupati is muddled into politics. India bata priest chahine re. desh kai pani na chalney bhaney lai preist banai deu...tehi thik cha...aba ayoo kura tehi extremist harau..La congrats nepal le tyo ni janamayo...thanx to dat asshole mainali guy.who bombed that chruch.tehi religious tolerance ko lai nepal famous thiyo.aba no more..

I totally agree with bathroom coffee on most points.

 Look at christianity, they are helping people even if it is in name of religion. their chruch is open for everybod..not just high caste people..or some bahun or chetris..Offcourse christianity is enticing..they are well organized..while bahun preists in temples are just happy collecting offerings made..

Look at now new breed of hinduism, xenophobics.can't even tolerate neighbour with different religion.such a same hinduism will be minority re.

people would rather donate to christian chruch which does something for people than that discriminatory hindu temple plagued wth corruption..just like out country..and does nothing for sake of people. Althought all religion is crap..atleast they are helping poeple. I haben't heard of single chariable hindu organization...And Plz don't talk about bahun breeding sanskrit organization..

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As one scholar said "To begin with, the kipat system and the mundhum are traditionally
uncontested metaphors of Kirata culture. Similarly the worshiping of Tagera Nyingmaphuma
or the supreme deity was a pan-Kirata symbol. But with the abolition of kipat system and the simultaneous influence of Hinduism, these symbols have lost their strength considerably. Since
Tagera Nyingmaphuma, is often personified as Shiva, who is not only considered tribal God but
also one of the Hindu pantheon, he cannot be claimed by the Kiratas as their
exclusive God" ---Politics of Culture: A Study of Three Kirata Communities in
the Eastern Himalayas), 1999 by Tanka Bahadur Subba

What Subba is trying to say is since the pre-vedic religion and veda religion has intermingled and overlapped to such a point, that it is very difficult to separate the Hinduism.

Though practice such as Sivaism has been incorporated into Veda, there are still few
pre-vedic religion practices remaining in Nepal today and this can be seen in Kirat communities.
Here's some significants about Kiratas religions that have survived being incorporated into Veda.
While worshiping of nature(snakes, stones, etc has been incorporated into Veda) which relates to Sivaism, Kul Puja or Pitra(ancestors worship) and Ubhaul and Udhauli Puja(mother worship) have escape being incorporated into Veda somehow.

What is Kul puja?

Kul Puja is the worshiping of one’s ancestors.While there are variations in kul devota worship, these activities have one thing in common. They are a means of ensuring prosperity, good fortune, and appeasing the gods and ancestral spirits. Given the importance of the rites for the well-being of the descent group, it was the social obligation of every household that possesses the necessary resources to hold kul devota worship, to sponsor the ritual activities

What is Udhauli and Ubhauli Puja?

Udhauli puja is the worshiping of mother goddess. Udhauli means going down. It is believed that from this day the winter season starts. So people, birds and animal migrate from cold regions to warmer regions. This kind of migration occurs twice in a year. The celebration of migrating downwards during this season is called “Udhauli" and the celebration of migrating upwards during the season of Baisakh (April or May) is called “Ubhauli.
This has been going on since the dawn of the mankind which time is immemorial. In those times people were hunters and gatherers, living in caves and so on.
The Vajasaneyi Samhita of the Shukla Yajurveda refers to the Kiratas as cave dwellers.

Still today, animals and birds do the seasonal migration.

Later the Udhauli and Ubhauli Puja came to be known as Bhumi Puja when Kirat people shifted from being hunters and gatherers to agriculture.
This event is also called Worship of Land where Kirat people worship mother nature and earth asking for good cultivation of crops during the season of April( Ubhauli) where people starts to sow crops and thanking the god for giving good crops during harvesting before the cold seasons start to turn in (Udhauli). This event of Kirati people is stated in the Mundhum (holy book of Kirat people).

Why do the Kirat people burn Tetepati leaves at some of their religious function?

There were no incense in the early period. But the Tetepati leaves are from trees, and trees have been always been there since man was here on earth. That’s why Kiratis are nature worshipers.

Why do the Kirat people used wild bamboo containers to store wine and jaar?

Again there were no luxurious jar or glass containers to store wine and jaar(millet beer). Hence Kiratis made whatever nature gave them. Hence nature worshipers.

How come they don’t use all those religious offerings like Hindus do? why don't Kiratis put on the sacred thread as Hindu brahmins do?

Kiratas worshiped nature and ancestors. They also believed in animism hence they practices are simple and not complex that those of Veda religion. Again Hinduism was a new word given by the scholar to classified all the religion practices in Indian sub-continent. Hindusim= pre-vedic religion + Veda religion
Hence the formation of the Hinduism changed many practices from original practices.

The Vishnu Purana indicates that the "chatur-varna" or four class social system was absent in Kirat desh in the East and the Yavanas(Greek) and Kambojas(Iranian), etc. in the West. Hence Kirat ideology differed from the Vedic teachings again going back to pre-vedic teachings.

As the Kirat people in the beginning were rationalistic idolaters, they neither had temples, altars nor images, conceiving that none of these was necessary, but that the God resided in light and fire. Hence, they worshipped spirits whom they believe to be the residents of fire and the sun. So according to Sapji Mundhum, there are 19 spirits of two classes: the Good Spirit and the Bad Spirit.

Besides the Mundhum of Good and Evil spirits, the Kirat people believe in oracles. They believe in the inspiration of God's spirit in human body. When a person is inspired by the good spirit of God, he or she will be senseless for a while and when the sense returns, he or she will begin to speak oracles. He or she prophecies the good or bad results of a sickness or of projects of any man or woman who consults him/her. He or she recites all the Mundhums of the past days in his/her oracles. These oracles encourage people to do good work for the benefit of the others. They give good advice to people who believe it and direct them how to proceed to good path. They instruct people to use medicine for the recovery of sicknesses. They do not advise blood sacrifice; on the contrary, they instruct them to be pure in spirit, body and in their work. When the God's spirit goes away from his or her body, he or she will fall asleep for a while, but cannot remember what they had said before. This culture can be compared with the Delphi oracles of the Greeks or Yavans in ancient Greece, where the priestess after chewing the sacred bay and drinking water from the sacred spring took her seat on the tripod and uttered oracles.

This culture of animism of the Kirat people seems to have started a very long time back. Jack Finegan of Princeton University mentions in his book of the Archeology of World Religion that during the pre-Aryan period, the Indus Valley Civilization appeared to have much animism in the religion.

  1. (a) The matrimonial connection between father - daughter, mother - son, brother - sister should be prohibited. (b) There should not be any marriage between a step-brother and a step-sister. (c) The system of marrying cousins should also be stopped. (d) No one should break the blood relation from the father’s side. (e) The blood relation from mother’s side should be opened after the fourth generation only. He who violates the above rules will be killed by thunderbolt.  2. (a)  Young girls of a different blood should be bought for wives and their marriage should be solemnized through their priest and his witness would legalize the girl’s status as a legal wife of a legal husband. (b) The children born of an illegal wife or illegal husband will be illegal and they cannot have any rights to parental property. They will be under the disposal of their maternal uncle.  3. (a)  When a woman delivers a male child, she should be purified on the fourth day and the child should be named on the same day. (b) She should be purified on the third day if she bears a female child and the naming ceremony of the female child should be done on the same day.
Why do the Kirat communities bury their dead instead of cremating them in the ghats?

It is because it is the right thing to do. The Mundhum states that “God had made your body out of the earth and ashes and today your body is mixing with the earth again.
When a member of a family dies, the corpse should be washed and wrapped with a white shroud and put into a wooden coffin, “ Khong” and should be covered with, “Khuk” in such a way that the face of the corpse can be seen from outside. The head of the corpse should be exposed and be sheltered with a kind of cap or hat or umbrella, “Saklip”. The coffin should then be buried within a stone box under a four feet deep pit. All the mourning members who attend the burial ceremony should offer a last handful of earth to show their last respect to the dead person and the following should be chanted, “God had made your body out of the earth and ashes and today your body is mixing with the earth again.” After covering the pit with earth and stones, the grave should be piled up with four steps of stones for the man and three steps for the woman. A stone pillar should be erected in the middle of the grave. If the man is of high regard, his stone monument should be raised to eight or nine steps high in his honor.

When Aryans first saw the kirat-ashur people in India, they found them as enlightened like themselves and called them Devas or gods or civilized people. In the region of veda, it is mentioned that the deities in the main is conceived as humans. The names for gods appear in Sanskrit as Deva, meaning enlightened one. Another designation used for deity in Rig veda is Ashur or Assura. But in Yajur veda, Athar veda and subsequent Vedic literature, the Ashur-kirat people fought against the Aryans and therefore, they were thought as evils. They classified them as vratya – kshatriyas.

Regarding Yakshas or Yakkhas, the Archeology of World Religion mentions that the Archaeological Museum of Mathura has a statue of Yaksha or Yakka. It is said that it is the oldest known Indian stone sculpture and is eight feet, eight inches high. The Sanskrit word, “Yaksha” or, “Yakkha” was perhaps originally a non-Aryan or at any rate a popular designation signifying practically the same as the Aryan Deva.

The pre-vedic religions as seen is simple, revolving around nature, ancestors and spirits.
It's makes so much sense than the Vedic teachings which seems to make no logic.
There's no hassle and most importantly every human beings are treated and respected equally.

That's why we should better re-educate about Hinduism properly. If not it would be too late and
the last thing one needs to know about Hinduism would be in the museum.

Wake up folks!!! It's our religions that is facing danger now.

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Hindu Deities, Sages and Saints Who were not Brahmins

“The origin of Sages, Truth and Rivers are unknown”—Mahabharata

This appendix lists some non-Brahmin or mixed caste great Deities, Saints and Sages of Hinduism. It will be apparent that these great men and women are responsible to a great extent for the development of Hinduism and that the title ‘Brahminism’ is rather a misnomer for our Dharma.

1. Sri Rama: He was a Kshatriya belonging to the Suryavamsa. His life is the theme of the popular Hindu epic Ramayana. He is considered the 7th incarnation of Lord Vishnu, who in turn represents the ‘Preserver’ aspect of God. He is considered an ideal son, an ideal king and so on. Hindu Utopia is often called ‘Ramarajya’, i.e., ‘the kingdom of Sri Rama’.
2. Sri Krishna: He to the belonged to the Yadava sub-caste. The Yadavas are currently enumerated amongst the ‘Other Backward Castes’ (OBC’s) in India. He is considered the most popular deity of Hindus, and revealed the ‘Bhagavad Gita’, which is the bedrock of modern Hinduism, and summarizes the philosophical teachings of all Hindu ures in a masterful manner. He is considered as the 8th incarnation of Lord Vishnu.
3. Lord Shiva: He is often termed as a ‘Kirata’ in the Puranas. The Kiratas would currently fall in the ‘Scheduled Tribes’ (ST) category in modern India. He is considered as a representation of the ‘Destroyer’ aspect of God and is one of the chief Hindu deities. He is the chief subject of numerous Hindu ures like the Shiva Purana, the Kurma Purana and so on.
4. Maharshi Aitreya Mahidasa: According to tradition, his mother was a maid named ‘Itara’. This Rishi is credited with the compilation of the Aitreya Brahmana and sections 1-3 of the Aitreya Aranyaka (the latter contains the Aitreya Upanishad- one of the 10 canonical Upanishads for Hindus) belonging to the Rigveda.
5. Rishika Lopamudra: She was a Kshatriya princess from Vidarbha, who married Maharshi Agastya. She is the Seer of some verses of the Rigveda. Several edifying dialogs between her and Sage Agastya are recorded in the Puranas.
6. Maharshi Vishwamitra: He was originally a Kshatriya named ‘Vishwaratha’. He is credited with revealing the ‘Gayatri Mantra’, the Hindu prayer par-excellence. He was elevated to Brahminhood because of his spiritual luster.
7. Maharshi Veda Vyasa: He was the son of a fisher-woman named Satyavati, from Rishi Parashara. Considered the greatest Rishi of classical Hinduism, he is believed to have give the 4 Vedas ( = the most authoritative ures of Hindus) their present form. He also compiled the Mahabharata and the Puranas, which are the mainstay of popular Hinduism. He also authored the Brahmasutras- a text considered as one of the triple canon of Vedantic Hinduism (the other two being the Gita and the Upanishads). His birthday is celebrated as ‘Guru-Poornima’ by Hindu monks every year. All Hindu monastic orders trace their lineage from him and a popular saying goes: “vyasocchishtam jagatsarvam” meaning that so great was the learning Rishi Veda Vyasa, that even his voluminous writings represent only the periphery of his knowledge.
8. Maharshi Matanga: He was the son of a Shudra mother and a Vaishya father. In fact, Chandalas are often addressed as ‘Matanga ’in passages like Varaha Purana 1.139.91
9. Maharshi Valmiki: He was descendant from Sages but had become a chandaala (= an outcaste) named Ratnakara, because he took to murder and highway robbery. He was reformed by Prajapati Brahma and was inspired by the divine Sage Narada to compose the Hindu epic par excellence- the Ramayana.
10. Rishika Sulabhaa Maitreyi: She was a Kshatriya lady who promulgated the Saulabha Shakha of the Rigveda. She is counted among the revered teachers of Rigveda to whom respects are offered in texts like the Kausitaki Brahmana. The Saulabha Brahmana is now lost but is mentioned in the Kashika- a commentary on the grammatical text named Ashtadhyayi. A dialog of Rishika SulabhA with King Janaka of Videha on spirituality is recorded in the Shanti Parvan (12th book) of the Mahabharata.
11. Mahatma Vidura: He was the son of Maharshi Veda Vyasa and a maid of King Dhritrashtra (the father of Kauravas in the Mahabharata). He is a wise man in the Mahabharata and counseled many towards truth. His teachings are collected in the ‘Viduraprajagar’ section of the Udyog Parvan (5th book) of Mahabharata.
12. Gautama Buddha: The founder of Buddhism belonged to a marginal Kshatriya tribe called Shakya. He lived and died as a Hindu, although his followers founded a new religion in his name. He advocated the supremacy of good ethics and morality over philosophical speculation and ritualism. He is considered the 9th incarnation of Lord Vishnu by devout Hindus.
13. Mahavira: The 24th and the last great Teacher of Jainism. He belonged to the Kshatriya Licchivi tribe of Bihar. He advocated vegetarianism and the centrality of compassion in Dharma.
14. Bhakta Nammalvar: The foremost of the Alvar Vaishnava saints, he was a Shudra by birth. His composition ‘Tiruvayamoli’, which is in the Tamil language, is considered at par with the Vedas by the Sri Vaishnava Hindus.
15. Sikh Gurus: All the Sikh Gurus, from Guru Nanak to Guru Gobind Singh, were Kshatriyas. The teachings of the first 5 and the 9th Guru are compiled in the Adi Granth- the Sikh ure. In the face of Islamic persecutions, they revitalized the Hindu community of what is now Pakistan and parts of Northern India and preached the simple path of performance of good deeds, devotion to God by recitations of His names and singing of His glory and sharing of one another’s joys and sorrows without regard to caste.
16. Saint Kabir: He was brought-up by ‘Julaha’ couple. Julahas are a Muslim caste of weavers. He preached in the language of the masses and many of his verses are common proverbs in North India.
17. Narsi Mehta: He was born in a Vaishya family is a renowned Vaishnava saint of Gujarat. One of his compositions- “Vaishnava Jana” was a favorite of Mahatma Gandhi. According to some however, he was a Brahmin.
18. Saint Tukarama: He was a Vaishya who composed touching poems called the ‘Abahngas’ on devotion to God. These compositions are recited with great fervor by numerous Hindus, especially in Maharashtra by the members of the Warakari community.
19. Saint Ravidas: He was a cobbler, and therefore of Shudra origin. He advocated Bhakti and 16 of his compositions were incorporated in the Adi Granth- the Sikh ure.
20. Saint Mira: She was a Rajput Kshatriya princess of Mewar and devoted her life to the service of Lord Krishna. Her beautiful poetical compositions addressed to Lord Krishna are recited with great fervor by Hindus down to this day.
21. Swami Vivekananda: One of the foremost reformers and teachers of modern Hinduism, he was of Kayastha subcaste of Bengal. He spread the message of Vedanta in the United States and Europe and his writings and speeches are contained in “The Collected Writings of Swami Vivekanand.” He founded the Ramakrishna Mission- a religious organization to propagate the teachings of his Guru Swami Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. In Bengal, Kayasthas are considered as Shudras.
22. Vatsa, a descendant of Kanva RV 6.1; 8.8 etc; was called a Shudra-putra (Panchavimsha Brahman 14.66).
23. Kakshivat, a Brahmavadin, was the son of Dirghatamas by a Shudra maid servant (Brihaddevata 4.24-25).
24. According to Mahabharata (Anushasana Parvan 53.13-19), Sage Kapinjalada was a Chandala and Sage Madanapala was the son of a boatwoman.
25. According to Mahabharata Shanti Parvan, King Sudas was also a Shudra. Sudas is one of the most celebrated kings of the Rigveda, being the hero of the Dasarajna war.

Bibliography and References

1. S. Radhakrishnan; The Upanisads; Indus (Publishers); New Delhi; 1995

2. Jagdish Lal Shastri; Upanishatsagrahah; Motilal Banarsidass; Delhi; 1970 [This book gives the text of the Upanishad in Devanagari ]


1. Global Hindu Electronic Network [ http://www.hindunet.org ]


3. The Caste System http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/9089/hr/caste.html

4. The Himalayan Academy http://www.HimalayanAcademy.com At this website, a search by ‘Caste’ will give several articles of interest.

Hence i'm wondering why there is so much discrimination of Shudras and Dalits and to those who do not conform with Vedic teachings when some of the Hindu Deities, Sages and Saints were NOT Brahmins. The only problem one can see is that if you study Hinduism closely, it lies with the Vedic teachings which have almost incorporated all other religions into their Veda.
Hinduism really is belongs to the aborigines and the low caste group.

Therefore folks, learn to distinguish the True Hinduism. Learn to distinguish Pre-Vedic religions from Veda religions.
Once we eradicate the bad elements that have come from Veda, Hinduism will continue to strive.

Jai Mahadev.

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Please Act now before Our Religion Hinduism becomes a minority or ends up in Museum.

Churches mushroom in the land
of temples, stupas and monasteries

By Surendra Phuyal & Sharad Adhikari

SIDDHAKALI, Sankhuwasava : It’s Sunday
afternoon in this typical mountain village in eastern Nepal, and dozens of local people,
elderly women and children among them, in their best attires are flocking towards a small
mound near the bazaar called Pokhari.

It’s a sunny day. The crowd grows thicker
and thicker outside the Avenenger Church, which was established about nine years ago. But
Pasang Sherpa, a Buddhist Lama who is waiting for devotees who would flock to the Shangang
Chhoeling Monastery to celebrate the Lhosar festival, seems a bit worried.

"In the past, old and young people from all
the surrounding villages would come here to celebrate Lhosar," the Lama says, as he
turns around to check whether devout Buddhists belonging to the Tamang and Sherpa
communities have arrived. "But now a days, there is not much enthusiasm among our
youngsters about gumbas."

However, barely 25 meters away, at the foot of
the same mound with terraces that have millet and barley crops, the crowd is thicker. And
inside the one-storied hut locals call church, Shyam Krishna Rai the pastor, is preparing
to baptise, or formally convert, five new aspiring bishwasis (followers) of Jesus Christ.

Holding a thick book of Bible, which is written
in Nepali, about 50 Christians who have squatted on the carpeted floor start following Rai
the pastor, who is singing, "...kahile napharkane, kahile napharkane nirnaya hami
gardachhaun (we decide never to return again)." The melodious chorus seems to enthral
the entire neighbourhood, inhabited mainly by Brahmins, Chhetris, Rais, Limbus, Tamangs
and Gurungs.

Fascinated by the ‘miraculous healing power’
of God, and dissatisfied with the discriminatory practices and traditions of Hinduism and
Buddhism, more and more Nepalis are converting to Christianity around the country - in the
east, as well as in the west and south.

Although rampant discrimination - such as the
practice of untouchably - prevalent in the predominantly Hindu-Buddhist society is forcing
many to look for greener pastors and better opportunities, the ‘miraculous healing
power of God’ the missionaries preach and demonstrate seems to be fuelling the cult

"I was a follower of Buddhism until not so
long ago," says 60-year-old Lhamu Sherpa, who is wearing Bakkhu and the sort of
ornaments that all Sherpa and Tibetan women wear. "I was ill, but prayers to Buddha
didn’t help much. So I started believing in God. Now I am fine. There is no

Her eyes fixed on the Bible, Sherpa prays
together with Tili Rai, 60, Padma Keshar Khatri, 56, and dozens of other youngsters mainly
belonging to the ethnic groups. Then Rai the pastor calls in the new aspiring bishwasis -
Dadhi Chandra Rai, Chandra Limbu, Krishna Tamang, Jiwan Limbu and Mana Maya Rai - near the
alter, and tells them to sign in on the register. Then another prayer starts.

"Now I have baptised them, they have become
the members of our family," says a humble Rai the pastor, smiling. Followers mainly
from the surrounding villages and as far as the village of Nundaki near
Sankhuwasava-Taplejung border come to his church every Sunday.

Asked whether he and the bishwasis also get
monetary support, Rai says he has heard about a provision of monthly salary of about Rs
3,000 for pastors like him, who stay in far-flung areas. But not for the bishwasis.
"Our main church in Kathmandu takes care of that," he says. "But I am least
bothered about the money."

Krishna Tamang, the young man in his early
twenties who is probably among the newest converts in Nepal, says he was sick and tired of
giving expensive medicines to his young wife. "That’s why I have started to
pray, and giving it a try. I think my wife will soon be well again," he adds.

Thanks to the open social and political
atmosphere, guaranteed by the 1990 Constitution which, besides scores of other freedoms,
provisions of religious freedom, more and more people are exercising religious freedom.

In nearby village of Kharang, 54-year-old
Basanta Rai, the retired Indian

Reserve Police personnel, has set up his own
church. The Cyprus Church, as it has been named, also attracts dozens of bishwasis from
the surrounding villages.

Among them are people belonging to the Rai and
the Limbu communities and the Dalits, the Hindu outcasts who are looked down upon by high
class Hindus as ‘untouchables’.

"So depressed I had become that night that
I nearly killed myself. But then God sent an angel for my rescue. And I became Christian
now...I hate Hinduism, which promotes such vices as ganja-and-bhang addiction, and
discrimination of human beings."

Less than one percent of the population in the
country are Christians, according to Census 2001. And from 15,000 in 1970 to an estimated
600,000 Christians today, Nepal has one of the fastest-growing Christian populations among
the 3.6 billion people throughout Asia’s 51 countries, Christianity Today magazine
says in a recent edition, quoting Christian missionaries.

The genesis of conversion in Nepal dates back to
the Malla era, which ended in the later half of 1700 A.D. But after King Prithvi Narayan
Shah the Great, the founder of modern Nepal, conquered the Kathmandu Valley, he expelled a
community of 57 Christian converts (Capuchin priests) to India.

The situation remained unchanged in the world’s
only Hindu Kingdom until 1950s, after which the country gradually started to open up. But
now, with the estimated population of Christians crossing 600,000, the trend may look
encouraging for missionaries and evangelists, who are said to be working to convert the
whole of Asia by the end of the third millenium.

And 48-year-old Bir Singh Gurung, who works as a
porter - ferrying heavy rocks from the nearby river to build a stone-wall to safeguard the
premises of Bishwabasi Mandali (a church) in Manebhanjyang these days, says that he will
not return, come what may. Situated on the outskirts of Khandbari, the headquarters of
Sankhuwasava district, Manebhanjyang is a day’s walk away from Siddhakali.

It looks like, Bir Singh is among the staunchest
followers of God in the country. "Sir, before I was a Hindu, now Christian. My two
young sons are studying in monasteries " he says, as he heats his lunch under a shade
outside the church. "But now, my spouse and myself follow Christianity. We trust in
God, and my sick wife is well again. I will never return (back to Hinduism), no matter
what. You can hit me with bullets. But never."

(With inputs from Shyam Niraula in

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Once your and my country is Republican, there should not be any issue of Religions.  Who is growing and who is diminishing should  not  be an issue.

If you are in favor of Hinduism, we do not have any organization to preserve and bring it to next level. You are Hindu by birth, all other are not welcomed as Hindu. Tell me how you preserve it, we have cast system and untouchable are 4th class citizen in society, they need recognition, how and who will recognize them. In India they are changing to Buddhism where cast and division do not exist, every year thousand of people change their name and religion. So does in Nepal but to Christianity because they are advantages and got recognition.

Do not worry and let it go as corruptioon is part of out  (we have given recongition, no on has done  againest  it), so why all of sudden you are worrying of being minority. Did you worry how the money came to your pocket and how your parents made it ? It is part of our life and let it go and move ahead. In another 7-10 years we will be minority againest hindi speaking population what you say about this and what you are thinking about it?????????????????????

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Once your and my country is Republican, there should not be any issue of Religions.  Who is growing and who is diminishing should  not  be an issue.

If you are in favor of Hinduism, we do not have any organization to preserve and bring it to next level. You are Hindu by birth, all other are not welcomed as Hindu. Tell me how you preserve it, we have cast system and untouchable are 4th class citizen in society, they need recognition, how and who will recognize them. In India they are changing to Buddhism where cast and division do not exist, every year thousand of people change their name and religion. So does in Nepal but to Christianity because they are advantages and got recognition.

Do not worry and let it go as corruptioon is part of our life  (we have given recongition knowingly and unknowlingly, no on has done and raised voice againest  it), so why all of sudden you are worrying of being minority?. Did you worry,  how the money came to your pocket and how your parents made it ?Now it's part of our life and let it go and move ahead.

In another 7-10 years we will be minority againest hindi speaking population what you say about this and what you are thinking about it????????????????????? Any Suggestion? Atleaset they are thinking good about Nepal even changed to Christiniaty.

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Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.

I’m a polyatheist – there are many gods I don’t believe in

A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it

Religion has caused more misery to all of mankind in every stage of human history than any other single idea

When a man is freed of religion, he has a better chance to live a normal and wholesome life

Gods dont kill people. People with Gods kill people

Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions.

Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense

If we expect God to subscribe to one religion at the exclusion of all the others, then we should expect damnation as a matter of chance. This should give Christians pause when expounding their religious beliefs, but it does not.

Atheists will celebrate life, while you’re in church celebrating death

Posted on 06-13-09 8:23 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Too much has been said from my side. Listen Converts. All your ancestors have been
worshiping the religion that is inside the Hinduism, may it be pre-vedic or Veda religion.
But one thing i want to clarify with you folks is that we do not want another religion to come
to our way of life.
You missionaries are good in exploiting weak and exploited natives in converting to your faith which one have no idea what is all about firstly. They only converted first because of security.
How can a Jesus, a man born of White man/Jews, have blue eyes, and blond hair be GOD of other races whose eyes and hair are black?
Our ancestors never worship you or known you. So why should we their children convert to you and serve you?

Listen here. What we need is the RE-EDUCATION of HINDUISM.
Not embracing new religion like Christian whose GOD is dead! Die by the hands of ordinary people.

While our ancestors were already in existence with their belief and  faith, you Christian only came in the later period. So who you telling others to convert?

Therefore folks, we need re-education of Hinduism emphasizing on Pre-Hinduism religion which deals with NATURE. Not Saints, Brahmins, Prophets or Missionaries whose main intentions is for the benefits of themselves.

Now that is the TRUTH.


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