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 Emerging Kali (कलि) statue in Pasupatinath

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Posted on 08-26-13 8:46 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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During my visit to Pasupatinath, I got a chance to take picture of the emerging Kali who seems to be halfway exposed.

According to legends, this statue is supposed to gradually come out and once it comes up to it's feet, it will be a signal of the end of the civilization.

I was wondering how true that legend is. Does anyone have any pictures from the past so that we can compare if it actually has emerged from before.
 


 
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Posted on 08-27-13 5:40 AM     [Snapshot: 731]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Its not Kali, its kalki!
 
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I think Kalki and kali can be used interchangeably. Kalki is the god/ avatar of the yug kali. Another name is Birupaksh if I am not wrong. Never heard about growing 1/2 inch in 1000 years. But I did hear about what ne0 said, when this statue emerges fully that's the indication of the end of this yug, kaliyug. If I remember correctly, 10-15 years ago this statue was exposed only up to his chest. So, are we really heading toward the end of the yug very soon if one to believe that legend?
 
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Yeah many ppl say that that is the statue of kali or Birupakchhya ( real name of the guy as per the History).

But few years back I read in kantipur or some other Nepali newspaper that the statutue is of a King, few justification was given> I tried to find that article but looks like Google/Yahoo are not able to find it.

It is general concept of the believer of the story that once the statue comes completely out of the ground present day civilization as we know it as "kali yug" will be destroyed, some ppl say world  will be destroyed. But reading the story of different "yuga". the claim looks not logical. Why?/

1. Sataya yug -- some ppl say it was the age of gold, gold was used for many purpose, Gold was easy to discover because of its glitter and less reactive nature compared to other metals, Iron was yet to be discovered.  There was increase in population, not enough gold was available for the use, and it became out of reach of common man. Scientist were under pressure to find something to replace gold. They discovered Silver. Satya yug had its apogee and was metamorphed ( or say  was destroyed ( Mind you not the world, not earth, not humanity) then civilization entered "Dwapar Yuga". Industry shifted from gold refining to Silver refining.

2. Dwaper Yug- Scientist were looking for other metals which they can use to make utensils, weapons, household use etc. They discovered Silver, which was not as scarce as gold, so ppl started to use silver, silver slowly replaced gold. This was Dwaper yug. , A Yug of Silver. Once again population explosion put pressure on demand for silver, slowly its availability decreased. Scientist were under pressure to find something else to replace Silver. Scientist discovered copper. Age of Silver or Dwaper youg was at its apogee. Civilization was mature and the world enters into Treta yug. Industry shifted from Silver refining to Copper refining.

3. Treta Yug--Was the civilization which used Copper in weapons, utensils , machinery and in whatever "thing" required to use metal. Many copper processing technology/Industries were developed.  Population exploded again, more demand for copper, not enough resources. Scientist were under pressure to find another materials which could be used in daily life,. Scientist discovered Iron/steel. Treta yuga had its apogee. Industry shifted from copper refining to Iron refining and steel production.

4. Kali Yug.--Where use of iron is everywhere, Life can not run smooth without the use of iron. Iron is the main backbone of the civilization. Once again there is population explosion. This is kali yug. Increase in population put pressure on demand for iron.  As iron processing requires lots of energy and transportation of iron is expensive ( its heavy) scientist were under pressure to find something which can be used instead of Iron which  requires less energy to process and lighter, scientist discovered plastic. This the age of Iron where use of iron is rampant, big countries are securing the supply of Iron ore ( specially China, which is buying the Guarantee of iron mines in Australia, and in different countries in Africa). As Iron processing is energy consuming process they are also securing the supply of coal and oil (that is why middle east always gathers so much attention. So present day scientists are trying to replace iron and in many cases they are successful too. In another 100 years, if population growth is controlled or lf world out of iron. Society need something else to replace iron, most likely candidate to replace iron is plastic, Most probably in 100 yrs time  civilization will use far less iron compared to today. Kali yug is reaching its apogee. Civilization will enter another youg which Yug will be that?

5. Plastic yug (proposed)---Use of plastic will be rampant etc etc.

So, Different yugs are just different stage of development of human civilization, civilization wont be destroyed, earth /universe wont be destroyed, Civilization will metamorphosed itself into different stage.

Then why our forefather didn’t envisaged this plastic yug (ta matrai badhi janne ?) 

Like Mayan colander, Mayans civilization created the calendar for 2 millennium based on their knowledge of astronomy. Many ppl thought after that world will be destroyed, that didn’t happened. 

there could be many reasons why Mayans didn’t created the colander beyond 2 millennium

1. they must have thought enough is enough and left the task for next civilization, but before that Mayans civilization was destroyed and many other similar reasons.


Similarly our forefathers may have though let next civilization think about other than four yugs, 

Or, each succeeding civilization must have added different yugs in our religious books, so it is the duty of our generation or may be few generation in the years to come to add about Plastic yug in religious book. 


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http://himalaya.socanth.cam.ac.uk/collections/journals/ancientnepal/pdf/ancient_nepal_92-97_full.pdf



 
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 ओह कलिको बारे अनुसन्धान गहिरो नै गर्नु पर्ला जस्तो छ .  बाघ दाई ले राख्नु भएको लिंक अधोपान्त पढियो र सर्च र रि-सर्च गर्न मन लाग्यो ( गरि हालेको छैन है ) . तर पनि किंवदन्ती र सुनेर आएको कुरा संग इतिहासकार हरि राम जोशी संग बिमति राख्दछ . त्यसो त जोशी जी संग व्यक्तिगत चिनजान छ मेरो. 
 
बिरुपाक्ष वा कलि ... कलियुगको प्रतिनिधित्व गर्दछ र त्यसको अर्ध शरीर पुरै सतहमा आयो भने कलियुग को समाप्ति र पृथ्वी नै ध्वंस हुन्छ भन्ने किंवदन्ती हामीले सुनेका हौँ . अर्को कुरा श्लेषमान्तक अर्थ संस्कृत मा लब्सीको रुख (बोट ) हुन्छ र  पाशुपत इलाकाको बन मा प्रचुर मात्रामा लब्सीको रुखहरु अद्यापि छदैछ र त्यसको नाम बाटै श्लेषमान्तक बन रहन गएको हो . पशुपात क्षेत्र र लब्सी को बोट पाचौं वा छैठौं शताब्दि अघि नै थियो , यसमा कुनै शंका छैन . 

 
Posted on 08-27-13 3:41 PM     [Snapshot: 1074]     Reply [Subscribe]
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केहि दशक पुरानो तस्बिर भेटाउन सके दाँज्न मिल्थ्यो | अलिक गहिरो अनुसन्धान गर्नु पर्ला जस्तो छ

 
Posted on 08-27-13 3:44 PM     [Snapshot: 1077]     Reply [Subscribe]
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 kali lai crane le tanera nikalyo bhane sansar sakincha ho san dai?
 
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I used to get scared and disturbed mentally when I was young when people talk about this. But not anymore. Mayan calendar came to be hoax, so does this. The statue is coming up because of the scientific reason, may be the soil increases down below it and pushes up. About the god, I don't know if he or she really exists, matter of fact, I haven't seen him/ her. So....
 
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मैले चाँही कता हो विरुपाक्ष नेपालको सबभन्दा प्राचिन मूर्ति हो भनेर पढेको थिए ... हरिराम जोशी सरको लेख चाँही ईतिहास कम किम्बदंती बढी लाग्यो ...

मलाई जान्न मनलागेको चाँही के हो भने यो मूर्ति कहिले र कसले बनाएको हो र बनाइसकेपछि यसलाई जमिनमा किन धसाइएको हो ?

कलिको आयु बढ्दै गए पछी विरुपाक्षको शरीरको तल्लो भाग जमिनबाहिर निस्कदै जान्छ भन्ने कुरा पनि किम्बदंती मात्रै होला । खै कतै पुरानो तस्बिर हेर्न पाएको भए केही थाहा हुन्थ्यो । शायद त्यो मूर्तिको तल पनि पत्थर नै राखिएको छ यदी छैन भने मूर्ति माथि निसक्ने होइन बरु तल धस्दै जाने हुनुपर्ने हो ..
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Posted on 08-27-13 4:51 PM     [Snapshot: 1162]     Reply [Subscribe]
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 that dude has been in that position since i remember. Not the smallest decimal of inches has he been up. lol i wonder when he actually rises up, will he be wearing boxer or not? lol and spring stop making shit up. that dude has been in that position forever. 
 
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सुन्न; मैले नि कथा नै सुन्या हो, धेरै सानोमा - ऐले दुरुस्तै सम्झिन पनि सक्दिन । कथा करिब-करीब एस्तो हुंदो हो :- 
 
कुनै एक शक्तिशाली राजा थिए (सम्भवत: विरुपाक्ष्य हुनुपर्छ), तन्त्र-मन्त्रमा दख्खल राख्ने । उनी कुनै एक विशेष देव/देवी का परम भक्त थिए रे । ति देव/देवी ले राजाको सपनामा आएर चेतावनी दिनुको बावजुद पनि राजाले आफुलाई दर्शन दिनकोलागी ढिपी गरेपछी, ति देव/देवी प्रकट त भए/भईन् रे तर उन्को एउटा खुट्टा मात्र यो सन्सारमा अटायो रे (त्यो पदचाप ऐले पनि नेपालकै कतै-कुनै स्थानमा रहेको विश्वास गरिन्छ) तर अर्को खुट्टा राख्ने ठाउं नपाएपछी; स्वयम ति राजाले आफ्नो शिर थापेकोले ति पातालभित्र भास्सिन पुगे रे !
 
पछी ति देव/देवी लाई आफ्नो परम भक्तप्रती दया जागेर; कालान्तरमा बाहिर आउने आकाशवाणी गरेर विलोप भएको र तेही दिन नै संसारमा प्रलय आउने (तेस्को नि कुन्नी के कारण त थियो क्यारे !) पनि भनेको रे ! 
 
यो त भयो सुनेको कुरो, तर मलाई हेक्का रहे सम्म; १७-१८ सालतीर कैले हो हाम्रै एक नातेदारले पनि पहिलो पटक त्यो मुर्ती (कली, कल्की वा विरुपाक्ष्य) हेर्नुभाको थियो रे जुन वक्ष्य भन्दा केही मुनी सम्म मात्र निस्किएको अवस्थामा थियो रे । त्यसैले, मुर्ती माथि आउंदैछ - यो कुरामा त खास्सै विवाद छ जस्तो लाग्दैन, त्यहां मुनिको भु-बनोट वा मुर्तीकै केही विशेषता हुन सक्छ; तर तेही एक मुर्ती माथी निक्लिनुले नै सब्कुरा ध्व्श्त हुन्छ भनेर त खै कसरी पत्याउनु र !
 
पुनश्च: माथि वा एस्पछी; आ-आफ्ना मत राख्नेहरु सँग मेरो कुनै विमती छैन, धागो रुचिकर लागेकोले - मेरा फोकटका केही शब्द ! 

 
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If I'm to believe these myths in every religion, this entire planet should have been exploded long time ago.

-Christian believed rapture to take place several years ago.  Never happened.

-Mayan believed or say there were portrayed as to say that the world will stop existing after it's calendar ends, which did on 2012. Nothing happened.

-Hinduism believes that with Kali statue fully surfacing out on its own  would begin the apocalypse.

I eject myself million light years away from the Earth in my self-imagination and I pronto realize and laugh. NAHHHH not gonna happen. There are other millions of planets with life(scientic findings, it's not me saying that) , they would still exist, . So these so-called theories of apocaplypse seems nothing but misinterpretation by some lunatics to spread fear among people who inhabit this miniscule rock in this entire universe that we call 'Planet Earth'.

Some guy taking care of Pashupati area was once asked and he confirmed , 'statue that he had seen was as same as he has seen it 20 years later'. It was on the paper long time ago.






 
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There are other millions of planets with life(scientic findings, it's not me saying that) 

Bittertruth, could you provide link to such a scientific finding? I must have slept through years not to hear about such a breakthrough!


 
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LOL Nayapidi, read properly before you ask others to do something. We are talking about legend, myth that we heard growing up about that particular statue. Of course he's in exact same position since the beginning. I didn't say he was lying on his back. JPT!
 
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Good to read all the different interesting version of the stories. Thuldai, what does your re-soch say??
 
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Finding microbes on mars, is life on another planet.
Thats in our reach and so we made that discovery.

Keplars and other telescopes have discovered perfectly habitable exoplanets as far as we could see. They're using 'could' and 'might' which is affirmative that there is life out there. Go through some of these astronomers and hardened researchers, I didn't make up those words just out of the blue, rather having gone through all those exciting reads, video interviews scattered all over the internet, I just tried to sound like them.

Now put down that beer can for a while, and start reading science research papers. Don't even need to be science student or member of scientific research team, all it takes is lil bit of your interest towards monthly science mag and papers. That's it.

Next time you'll pause before you nag someone like 3 years old why moon orbit earth type of questions.

Peace. :D 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/26/space-planets-idUSL2N0F125U20130626

http://exoplanets.org/

http://news.discovery.com/space/alien-life-exoplanets/star-twinkle-exoplanet-habitable-star-type-130821.htm



 
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Neo,

This might be of interest: 




More at: http://books.google.com.np/books?id=GQbwT7L7AI4C&lpg=PA176;
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 Dear Bittertruth,

I just wanted to let you know that I am enlightened by your superior intelligence. I did not know that the use of  words like "could" "might" "maybe" by scientists make them facts and such possibilities can be conveyed to other people as evidence. I hope to have a scientific acumen like you someday. Thank you!

Back to the topic,
@chaurey, uprooting the statue is not enough. According to the myth I was told, the Kalki needs to take 3 steps for the world to end. So I guess we have sometime to rejoice. :)

 
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One good way to make it come soon is to erect a statue of goddess bending down in front of the Kalki. It might hasten the process up a little.

 
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There is an estimated 400+billion galaxies out there, 200 billion stars alone in the Milky Way. I'm not making this stat again. I'm not someone with superior intelligence(lol) ,was just mentioning that was published in papers. So the chances there is life out there is inevitable. Likely we will know in the near future, improbable. Till then, lets not mock researchers behind SETI and Drake equation trying to find lifes out there. They do know, lifes out there, it's just whole bunch of religious fanatics and critics like you —one of the reasons being— to whom they want to answer with evidence of their findings. Well, universe is really vast and unimaginably infinite big, if there wasn't any life, it'll be an awful waste of space(not exact quote but it was catchy to say). It is simply hard to digest that we're the only one planet with life. I once again adamantly say, there are millions of planets out there with civilizations. Sometimes you've to listen to your voice(heart) :D


 



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