Posted by: Vedic_life November 24, 2004
aryashakti & thugged_out re Nepal Braminss
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Ok here it is: a]lthough Newari is a Tibeto-Burman language by stock, its literary dialects are deeply influenced by the Indo-Aryan [sic] dialects, models, and traditions. Just as Newar social and cultural systems are a product of a fusion of two streams, similarly classical Newari literature is a most tangible evidence of the symbiosis between a Tibeto-Burman language and the Indo-Aryan literate culture.(Malla l982:4) ITS FUSION, BUT THE ORIGIN OF NEWARIS ARE KIRATIS: "The earliest recorded history of Nepal goes back over 2,800 years when a tribe of Mongolian people?the Kiratis?arrived in the Himalayan territory, across the Tibetan plateau." Of the Mongoloid origin, the Newars have probably been settled in Kathmandu Valley for over 2000 years. They have absorbed many Indian characteristics, including Hinduism. Numbering about 12,00,000 are concentrated in the Valley and fewer are scattered countrywide. Their language is Newari which although it is commonly placed in the Tibeto-Burmese family, was influenced also by Indo European languages. -http://www.catreks.com.np/kingdom.htm HERES ANOTHER SOURCE 1. Introduction : Newars are the indigenous people of Nepal. Newars belong to the Kirati family of Mongolian stock. In course of time, the people of other clan, caste, community merged into the Newar stock. The ancient and original religion of Newars is Mahayana or Vajrayana Buddhism. This religion was introduced in the Nepal Valley (the Kathmandu Valley in ancient times) by Bodhisattva Mahamanjushri at the time when the valley, then a lake, was made inhabited by draining out the water of the lake. Shantikaracharya constructed Swayambhu Jyotirupa with a view to perpetuating this religion for a long time in an organised manner. He also constructed Guhya Agamchhen (tantric altars) at Panchapur and Shantipur following a tantric ritual to establish the area as the centre of Vajrayana. -- Madansen Vajracharya http://www.lrcnepal.org/papers/cbhnm-ppr-12.htm Oh and I wanted to talk about the fact where newars like you say that are from India. Well If I asked you which part of India, you would be dumbstruck and would go into google and try to find out. There are some newars say that they are from South India, and are related to the Nayars. Well the NAIRS are KERALITES, and heres an excerpt of where the NAYARS came from: Obviously, like all Keralite tribes, the Nairs came from outside. There is a great deal of truth in the theory that they came from the Nepal Valley, adjacent to Tibet. Some consider them to be early descendants of the Newars of Nepal. The Kathakali which is a Nair art-form is closely related to Tibetan dances; Nair polyandry is very similar to Tibetan marriage customs; in the mode of inheritance the Newars are like the Nairs; like the Newars, the Nairs are distinguished by their lighter coloring, Mongolian features, and smooth hair. The most remarkable thing about the Nairs is their style of pagoda-like temple architecture and house construction which are almost identical with the Newar style of temples and houses found all along the Kulu and Nepal Valleys. Serpent worship is another common custom between the Newars and Nairs. As mentioned earlier, the settlers of Kerala came from the northwestern parts of India and the Nepal Valley. My theory is that groups of Newars who were partially Aryanized and would be later Dravidianized joined the Munda exodus and finally settled down in Kerala after a long period of sojourn in the eastern plains of Tamil Nadu. It is the Newar-Nair builders who have given Kerala both the pagoda-type architectural style of the Hindu temples and the angular roof and dormer of Kerala houses. The Kerala Story: by Dr. Zacharias Thundy, Northern Michigan University And about your comment about Indians who don't consider nepali bahuns pure. Well I'm a nepali brahmin who knows my ancestry inside out and I can tell you where exactly my ancestors came, which village they were settled and what exact gotra I'm from. And ofcourse, I'm not the so called "nepali brahmin" that has mongloid features. And I'm married to a Indian Brahmin that has the same Kul Devta, same gotra and same origin as mine. Don't speculate about what Indian Brahmins think of Nepali Brahmins, because you aren't one to even know. What you think of brahmins in nepal are of mongloid decent. And if an indian brahmin don't consider nepali brahmins pure, because that specific nepali brahmin looks chinkie, obviously that they aren't pure, and I wouldn't even. Because "supposedly" you should be knowing since you claim ur self to be a newari brahmin, that when a brahmin marries someone that is not from his caste, he is no longer a brahmin, that he falls to his/her spouse's caste. And you mentioning about bihari brahmins who look no different from australoids. Australoids a.k.a aborigenes are of african decent. Most biharis came from bengal. Also do to the climate in the terai reason they are dark. But color of skin and physical features are big different. Biharis, even dark have the so called indo aryan feature, long nose, big eyes long bushy brows, where as newaris have mongloid feature, flat face, small eyes, flat nose. Even Keralits don't look mongloid.
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