turbine, i agree that humans make mistakes. but you are merely stating the obvious. what is your reason for saying this 'oft-cited quote' in a case that involves cold murder and allegedly involves the sankaracharya? well if slobadan milosovic was a human he would have been spared; but he was a murderer also. i have no argument with his 'human' aspect at all. i think it is dangerous to casually equate 'human' with 'murderer'. a case in point: well if somebody said Hitler killed 6 million-plus jews (which is true), it's like you are rejoining with 'well Hitler is a human, and a human makes mistakes." well buddy, the jews will not be amused to hear that. they will be only too happy to fry your balls. and i certainly was not amused when you said well the sankarcharya - alleged murderer - is a human being and humans make mistakes. what point are u trying to make anyway? -karmapa