Venza is discontinued now, I had one in 2009 ...these were designed for old retired people so there was plenty of leg room and way more comfortable compared to other crossovers.I dont know why someone would think its a van. I liked my Venza more than my RX350, now my wife has a 4 runner, we bought it with the 3rd row seat....I like everything about it, it feels like I am driving a truck but the gas mileage of 16 mpg sucks and even though its the limited version, it doesnt have a lot of features compared to other limited vehicles. If you are in you late 30s and don't care about looks of the vehicle I would highly recommend Highlander. We didnt like the look of the highlander so ended up getting the 4runner.