Posted by: kundale February 11, 2015
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Oh, wow. This is where we differ, and is the crux of the matter. When the officer stops you and your face meets the pavement, better believe that you have been detained. And in order to do that the officer needs a "probable cause" or a "warrant".
I will try and give you an analogy
You are driving merrily along I95. You are obeying speed limit, you car has proper license, seems road worthy (a wheel is not falling off) and you are driving within a speed limit. The officer can pull you over on two cases
a. You are driving a car with the same make and model or description where a crime was involved
b. The officer observed you or thinks he observes you violating a law (speeding etc.)
Or, he may have a "warrant" saying stop a car driven by "kundale" with make and model such and such and license such and such. (depends upon the parameters of the warrant).
It is not that if you are involved in a drive-by-shooting and an officer sees you and he cannot shoot you back. He is justified in such a scenario.
But if you have done nothing wrong, and all you have is a broken tail-light and you refuse for your car to be searched, the officer is not justified in putting a cap in your ass.
The Indian grandpa from the article above, was just walking down the street. The call of a suspicious person notwithstanding, he was not running away from a crime scene, a violent robbery, a murder, a terrorism event - just walking down the street. The key word being suspicious not guilty. If you think that is cause enough to break someones back and have them paralyzed for life - well let's just agree to disagree, there is nothing I can say to change your mind. But if you think, well maybe, just for an instance - that could have been my father walking down the street - and even if I told him not to look shifty when brown, and not to make furtive actions or put his hands in his pocket when talking to police officers, maybe he makes this little mistake (--- i don't know fill in the blanks here - his breath smells of onions) and gets his back broken - do I still say that the cop is justified? and thank you for protecting and serving us? You better know what I am about to say....
I will try and give you an analogy
You are driving merrily along I95. You are obeying speed limit, you car has proper license, seems road worthy (a wheel is not falling off) and you are driving within a speed limit. The officer can pull you over on two cases
a. You are driving a car with the same make and model or description where a crime was involved
b. The officer observed you or thinks he observes you violating a law (speeding etc.)
Or, he may have a "warrant" saying stop a car driven by "kundale" with make and model such and such and license such and such. (depends upon the parameters of the warrant).
It is not that if you are involved in a drive-by-shooting and an officer sees you and he cannot shoot you back. He is justified in such a scenario.
But if you have done nothing wrong, and all you have is a broken tail-light and you refuse for your car to be searched, the officer is not justified in putting a cap in your ass.
The Indian grandpa from the article above, was just walking down the street. The call of a suspicious person notwithstanding, he was not running away from a crime scene, a violent robbery, a murder, a terrorism event - just walking down the street. The key word being suspicious not guilty. If you think that is cause enough to break someones back and have them paralyzed for life - well let's just agree to disagree, there is nothing I can say to change your mind. But if you think, well maybe, just for an instance - that could have been my father walking down the street - and even if I told him not to look shifty when brown, and not to make furtive actions or put his hands in his pocket when talking to police officers, maybe he makes this little mistake (--- i don't know fill in the blanks here - his breath smells of onions) and gets his back broken - do I still say that the cop is justified? and thank you for protecting and serving us? You better know what I am about to say....