Posted by: kundale February 11, 2015
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No it is not a fact.
Quoting you - "The poor old man probably was reaching to his pocket to show the officer something (wallet, phone number, written down address etc). "
The word "probably" negates fact.
The action that the guy put his hand in his pocket still does not meet probable cause for "forceful" detention. The fact that a law is wrongly enforced or interpreted does not make it a fact or right. The fact that the onus is on us to tell our "aged" parent who have difficulty walking, have difficulty communicating to be wary of law enforcement officials - instead to look at them as helpers tells me something is wrong with this picture. Again if we accept that the state has monopoly on violence, the onus is on the state to show cause on violence.
Quoting you - "The poor old man probably was reaching to his pocket to show the officer something (wallet, phone number, written down address etc). "
The word "probably" negates fact.
The action that the guy put his hand in his pocket still does not meet probable cause for "forceful" detention. The fact that a law is wrongly enforced or interpreted does not make it a fact or right. The fact that the onus is on us to tell our "aged" parent who have difficulty walking, have difficulty communicating to be wary of law enforcement officials - instead to look at them as helpers tells me something is wrong with this picture. Again if we accept that the state has monopoly on violence, the onus is on the state to show cause on violence.