Posted by: hurray January 10, 2015
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Vivant,
There is difinitely simmering tension between muslim communities and native europeans in most of the european countires. And France being the country with the highest number of muslim immigrants, about 10% of the poulation is not spared. Besides France is the only western country to forbid niqab in public places. France is the country where most of the democratic principles saw their day. So it also one of the most secular societies. So they have a lot of courage to formally ban this type of costume. Niqab also symbolises women opression. Moreover in a civilised society yoru face is your identity and you are obliged to show your face when in public; this is also for security measures. Imagine in the US, you decide to wear your "makalu topi" and walk around (in the mall, at your work, in wal-mart) with your face covered. You will be thrown in jail. So why then would some women from islam walk around with their faces covered in the US, in the UK? Compared to the US and the UK, I believe France has the courage to stand up for their principles, the republican principles.
And muslims are not the kind of people who integerate easily into western countries. I am not talking about moderate muslims. Most of the muslims in France are hard-headed from Algeria, Tunesia, Morocco and other african countries. If in the US, instead of mexicans who are catholics, there were hard-headed muslims like in France, the US would be facing same kind of integration problems.
Geetmaijawafdiu? "Comedy is a form of art. A true art comes from the artist's heart and should never be a product of bias, prejudices, or a calculated agenda. This form of art should be used in such a way that the living movers and shakers of the society are gently or roughly nudged when they track-off from their societal-expectation or election-campaign promises."
How can you say that a true art should be unbiased and then in next sentance say that the art should be used to nudge people when they side-track from societal-expectation....? You are contradicting yourself.
Anyway I belive that this Charlie Hebdo incident will be a turning point and that the moderate muslims will come to realise that it is ok to make fun of their god or anyone's god for that matter. Humor is ok. And may be this will also make them realise how rediculous any religion, including theirs is.
There is difinitely simmering tension between muslim communities and native europeans in most of the european countires. And France being the country with the highest number of muslim immigrants, about 10% of the poulation is not spared. Besides France is the only western country to forbid niqab in public places. France is the country where most of the democratic principles saw their day. So it also one of the most secular societies. So they have a lot of courage to formally ban this type of costume. Niqab also symbolises women opression. Moreover in a civilised society yoru face is your identity and you are obliged to show your face when in public; this is also for security measures. Imagine in the US, you decide to wear your "makalu topi" and walk around (in the mall, at your work, in wal-mart) with your face covered. You will be thrown in jail. So why then would some women from islam walk around with their faces covered in the US, in the UK? Compared to the US and the UK, I believe France has the courage to stand up for their principles, the republican principles.
And muslims are not the kind of people who integerate easily into western countries. I am not talking about moderate muslims. Most of the muslims in France are hard-headed from Algeria, Tunesia, Morocco and other african countries. If in the US, instead of mexicans who are catholics, there were hard-headed muslims like in France, the US would be facing same kind of integration problems.
Geetmaijawafdiu? "Comedy is a form of art. A true art comes from the artist's heart and should never be a product of bias, prejudices, or a calculated agenda. This form of art should be used in such a way that the living movers and shakers of the society are gently or roughly nudged when they track-off from their societal-expectation or election-campaign promises."
How can you say that a true art should be unbiased and then in next sentance say that the art should be used to nudge people when they side-track from societal-expectation....? You are contradicting yourself.
Anyway I belive that this Charlie Hebdo incident will be a turning point and that the moderate muslims will come to realise that it is ok to make fun of their god or anyone's god for that matter. Humor is ok. And may be this will also make them realise how rediculous any religion, including theirs is.
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