Posted by: Kiddo November 6, 2013
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This thread is going in thousands of directions.
As always, religious posters are posting new argument, not addressing the rebuttal presented against their previous arguments. When we keep reciting doctrines and posting youtube videos and copy paste article that did nothing to add to the discussion, how can we discuss anything. I have no problem if a religious posters come ahead and says religion defies logic, not everything can be evaluated with our conscious or our cognitive abilities. If you try to logic and debate for religion, know that it is a weak proposal.
"We have not seen Alexander (the king) but we still believe he existed, don't we? We have not seen air, but we still believe it exists. Correct me from wrong :)"
The first one is a valid question. While I could refer you to multitudes of Greek, Egyptian and even Indian historical accounting of Alexander the Great, along with artifacts and monuments discovered, I still cannot say for sure that he existed. This is true for any historical figure, be it Gengis Khan or Prithvi Narayan Shah. I will never be able to prove beyond the shadow of doubt that they existed. With that uncertainty, would it be right for me to tell you that you HAVE TO do a certain thing because Alexander said so or Prithvi Narayan did so? Has anybody imposed a law based upon the writings of Gengis Khan, blindly trusting his past existence?
I hope you see my point.
Now, let's get to air. Nobody has seen it and yet we know it exists. Visuals are not the only way to confirm existence. Let me prove it to you, you inhale and exhale air to survive hence air has to exist. Don't believe me? Try holding your breath.
Ok, let's get a little more scientific. Take a handpump, notice what's inside it. Nothing but air. Now take a deflated balloon. Try pumping the handpump once connected to the balloon, does the balloon start getting bigger? We just proved the volume property of air. We know the chemical composition of air that we breathe (over 70% Nitrogen, some part oxygen and the rest), you can test this composition in various reactions in a lab. Have you heard of pneumatic machines? They work in the principal of air pressure. Pretty much every physical property of a matter can be demonstrated in air and its composition.
Science is not perfect, it keeps making errors and revises its theories. But for anybody to accept the scientific principle, one has to demonstrate it with empirical method. Religion has to be accepted as is. This is fine as long as it doesn't determine every aspect of my life. I am not anti-religion, I am just anti-nonsense.