Posted by: NALAPANI June 18, 2012
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@Daaku (READ ALL IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE HISTORY)
I do not know why some people love to dwell in the delusion. I do not have any qualms about the audacity of magar people and their presence in the unification campaign but truth is truth. At what basis you are claiming magars were in the highest number in unification army? and what about maoist insurgency? I will try to clear your delusions one by one.
I've already written khas were in the majority so I do not want to repeat that. FYI gorkhali/nepali army is the improvised version of khas militia (i read this in 2nd leutinant preparation book). Not only gorkhali army army of Makwanpure sen had khas in majority (Army cheif: Kanak Singh Baniya), Tirhute state of Simara (cheif swaroop Singh Karki). Pratap malla of kathmandu also raised khas army (ask valley historians) later magar people also joined when narabhupal shah shunned magar officers like parshuram thapa and kashiram thapa after Nuwakot battle. Do you think Kirtipure army had newars? ARe you kidding me? It had khas, magar and yadav from terai. Newar people were not even in kathamandu army except nagarkotis (a group of newars who changed themselves to Nagarkoti and joined Malla Army). Please do not asssume Gorkha army used to recruit officer then directly. Every officer had to come from sepoy level and survive tha wars. Even Amarsingh thapa joined as sipahi and became badakaji
about maoists insurgency read dharke bro's post somewhere last week. Unlike the rumours of magars to be in the highest number you will surprise yourself to see magars to be in 3rd position after bahun and Chetri. And this articel is written by JB Pun Magar. So no more discussion on this.
Most Feared gurkha....by your question if khas/chhetri are of martial race or not I am damn sure you know nothing about the history of gurkha recruitment. You all heard from your society (I assume you hail from british army family background).
gorkha recruitment in british army began even at the amidst of Anglo-nepal war. Many gorkhali recruit boys escaped gorkhali army and joined british army for better facilities. British this way had already raised two batallions namely Malaun and Naseeri (means Friendship) until 1815 AD. When Sugali treaty was signed in 1816/17 british formed two more regiments, Sirmooor and Garhwal regiments. Sirmoor mainly consisted magar while Garhwal regiment consisted Garhwali and gorkhali khas.[now yourself decide khas a martial race or not]. Later, sirmoor was changed to 2nd and 8th gorkha regiment, while gorkhali khas were seperated from garhwal regiment and made 9th gorkha regiment in 1823 AD. FYI 9th gorkha regiment is purely a khas (Chhetri+ thakuri) regiment which still exist in indian army while 4th gorkha was magar gurung regimen.. Rai and Limbu people got their own regiment 11th GR only in 1948 AD.
In 1858 soldiers of east india company mutinied so british sought help from nepal. Junga bahadur on his own commanding took around 10000 armies from 1st rifle (to enlist in 1st rifle one should be almost of 6 foot height, you know which race in nepal can have that height) which formed one wing while rests like Simha nath, devidutta, gorkahnath etc formed other wing. Do you know who was the most honored soldier in that war? Gambhir Jung Rayamajhi Chhetri of Palpa who was promoted to colonel from soldier.
Nepal and british gorkha jointly fought 3 wars with Afghan massod. Khas soldiers were always an integral part (SUBEDAR CHANDRA BAHADUR KARKI got military cross in 3rd war).
I am not hesitant to say British Gorkha is overrated. After indian sepoy mutiny british dismissed many races like bengali from india from martial race. Since Shikhs and Gorkhas showed their loyalty they depended to them two races. So, they coaxed gorkhalis to be the bravest of the brave. What is the ground to measure gorkhalis to be the bravest of the brave? most feared and most brave? Do not tell me Victoria cross please. Nepalese have got 13 Victoria cross (1 rai, 1 limbu, 3 gurung, 1 ghale, 1 chhetri, 5 magar, and 1 ganju lama is not even nepalese he was sikkimese bhutia who changed his surname to lama to enlist). We are very good at self praising. Do you know how many VC Indians have won? 27 bro. Punjabis alone won 15. Garhwali khas won 4 VCs. But they never brag about it.
In WW II chhetri and thakuri combined outnumbered the rest of the nepalese in british's service. (Prof. Surendra KC has showed this data refferring to nepal army)
If you have any other question feel free to ask. I am here to share with you.
I do not know why some people love to dwell in the delusion. I do not have any qualms about the audacity of magar people and their presence in the unification campaign but truth is truth. At what basis you are claiming magars were in the highest number in unification army? and what about maoist insurgency? I will try to clear your delusions one by one.
I've already written khas were in the majority so I do not want to repeat that. FYI gorkhali/nepali army is the improvised version of khas militia (i read this in 2nd leutinant preparation book). Not only gorkhali army army of Makwanpure sen had khas in majority (Army cheif: Kanak Singh Baniya), Tirhute state of Simara (cheif swaroop Singh Karki). Pratap malla of kathmandu also raised khas army (ask valley historians) later magar people also joined when narabhupal shah shunned magar officers like parshuram thapa and kashiram thapa after Nuwakot battle. Do you think Kirtipure army had newars? ARe you kidding me? It had khas, magar and yadav from terai. Newar people were not even in kathamandu army except nagarkotis (a group of newars who changed themselves to Nagarkoti and joined Malla Army). Please do not asssume Gorkha army used to recruit officer then directly. Every officer had to come from sepoy level and survive tha wars. Even Amarsingh thapa joined as sipahi and became badakaji
about maoists insurgency read dharke bro's post somewhere last week. Unlike the rumours of magars to be in the highest number you will surprise yourself to see magars to be in 3rd position after bahun and Chetri. And this articel is written by JB Pun Magar. So no more discussion on this.
Most Feared gurkha....by your question if khas/chhetri are of martial race or not I am damn sure you know nothing about the history of gurkha recruitment. You all heard from your society (I assume you hail from british army family background).
gorkha recruitment in british army began even at the amidst of Anglo-nepal war. Many gorkhali recruit boys escaped gorkhali army and joined british army for better facilities. British this way had already raised two batallions namely Malaun and Naseeri (means Friendship) until 1815 AD. When Sugali treaty was signed in 1816/17 british formed two more regiments, Sirmooor and Garhwal regiments. Sirmoor mainly consisted magar while Garhwal regiment consisted Garhwali and gorkhali khas.[now yourself decide khas a martial race or not]. Later, sirmoor was changed to 2nd and 8th gorkha regiment, while gorkhali khas were seperated from garhwal regiment and made 9th gorkha regiment in 1823 AD. FYI 9th gorkha regiment is purely a khas (Chhetri+ thakuri) regiment which still exist in indian army while 4th gorkha was magar gurung regimen.. Rai and Limbu people got their own regiment 11th GR only in 1948 AD.
In 1858 soldiers of east india company mutinied so british sought help from nepal. Junga bahadur on his own commanding took around 10000 armies from 1st rifle (to enlist in 1st rifle one should be almost of 6 foot height, you know which race in nepal can have that height) which formed one wing while rests like Simha nath, devidutta, gorkahnath etc formed other wing. Do you know who was the most honored soldier in that war? Gambhir Jung Rayamajhi Chhetri of Palpa who was promoted to colonel from soldier.
Nepal and british gorkha jointly fought 3 wars with Afghan massod. Khas soldiers were always an integral part (SUBEDAR CHANDRA BAHADUR KARKI got military cross in 3rd war).
I am not hesitant to say British Gorkha is overrated. After indian sepoy mutiny british dismissed many races like bengali from india from martial race. Since Shikhs and Gorkhas showed their loyalty they depended to them two races. So, they coaxed gorkhalis to be the bravest of the brave. What is the ground to measure gorkhalis to be the bravest of the brave? most feared and most brave? Do not tell me Victoria cross please. Nepalese have got 13 Victoria cross (1 rai, 1 limbu, 3 gurung, 1 ghale, 1 chhetri, 5 magar, and 1 ganju lama is not even nepalese he was sikkimese bhutia who changed his surname to lama to enlist). We are very good at self praising. Do you know how many VC Indians have won? 27 bro. Punjabis alone won 15. Garhwali khas won 4 VCs. But they never brag about it.
In WW II chhetri and thakuri combined outnumbered the rest of the nepalese in british's service. (Prof. Surendra KC has showed this data refferring to nepal army)
If you have any other question feel free to ask. I am here to share with you.