After a certain bit of discussion, a debate starts losing its focus, and ultimately, its goal. Debators throw out
logics and become adamant on their beliefs.

I think we have reached that point.

Geology Tiger's point is credible; I can see how the nay sayers could easily
construe this group as Federal republic conspirators. Having said that, I still support the cause. And much like Grgdai, I might not
change my last name but appreciate the gesture from those who have done so.