This really doesn't have anything to do with the thread, but nuts' post reminded me of one of my favorite psychology experiments of all time -- probably because it reminds me so much of one of my friend's life in the military. So here goes: They put 5 monkeys in a room with a banana dangling from the ceiling and a ladder leading up to the banana. Of course, one monkey goes and grabs the banana, and the scientists spray all the other monkeys with cold water. Wet monkeys are pissed off. Fat monkey is happy. Banana is replaced. Another monkey goes to get the banana, and all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water again. Wet monkeys are pissed off. Wet monkeys are also getting smarter. So the next time a monkey goes for the banana, the other monkeys beat the crap out of him. This continues until none of the monkeys will go near the banana. The scientists then replace one of the monkeys with a new monkey. New monkey goes for the banana and gets his ass beaten. When the new monkey will no longer go for the banana, they replace another monkey -- and so on until all the original monkeys are replaced. In the end, five monkeys are sitting around a banana that none of them will touch, and none of them knows why. I think it's a fascinating study of institutionalized society.