Posted by: Homeyji December 4, 2011
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Though I agree the spirit of what Babal is saying, I differ in some of the details.
There are different types of conversations.
Some conversations are open-ended and exploratory. Sajha is great for such discussions. Like there is a very healthy discussion of homosexuality going on on different threads in sajha right now. I think it is wonderful that sajha has these open discussions.
Then there are other types of discussions where a more moderated and disciplined approach produces a better quality of conversation. This particular thread we are on is an example of that.
Budmash is right in painting this thread like a game of chess. Intellectual and Philosophical discussions are a very strict discipline. And as such, it requies all participants willing to engage in such a discussion to agree on certain ground rules. When you open the forum up and let everybody rush in and say whatever they want when they want, it ruins the quality of conversation for everyone.
So maybe I was wrong in saying that you, San, needed to moderate this thread better. Perhaps it was Pinpoint who needed to.
But I understand that Pinpoint started this thread not have a philosophical discussion...but rather as 'reaching out in an attempt to self-help.'
So in summary, the solution is for someone who is interested in having philosophical discussions to create their own threads and to explain the ground rules and scope of the discussion before hand. And these people need to moderate their own discussions and kick out any one in the thread who they feel are being delliberately disruptive.
There is a big difference between being deliberately disruptive and having a different philosophical stance. I'm sure you all agree with that, right?
Not everyone needs to agree on god, religion, athiesm or agnosticism. But, everyone needs to know the basics of having an intellectual and philosophical conversation, if they want to contribute to the quality of conversation.
Everybody is allowed to play basketball. But you are not going to send the person who is holding a basketball for the first time in their life to the NBA, right?
So in summary, the solution to this thread, is to start a new fresh thread with fresh new rules and have a healthy discussion.
Though I agree the spirit of what Babal is saying, I differ in some of the details.
There are different types of conversations.
Some conversations are open-ended and exploratory. Sajha is great for such discussions. Like there is a very healthy discussion of homosexuality going on on different threads in sajha right now. I think it is wonderful that sajha has these open discussions.
Then there are other types of discussions where a more moderated and disciplined approach produces a better quality of conversation. This particular thread we are on is an example of that.
Budmash is right in painting this thread like a game of chess. Intellectual and Philosophical discussions are a very strict discipline. And as such, it requies all participants willing to engage in such a discussion to agree on certain ground rules. When you open the forum up and let everybody rush in and say whatever they want when they want, it ruins the quality of conversation for everyone.
So maybe I was wrong in saying that you, San, needed to moderate this thread better. Perhaps it was Pinpoint who needed to.
But I understand that Pinpoint started this thread not have a philosophical discussion...but rather as 'reaching out in an attempt to self-help.'
So in summary, the solution is for someone who is interested in having philosophical discussions to create their own threads and to explain the ground rules and scope of the discussion before hand. And these people need to moderate their own discussions and kick out any one in the thread who they feel are being delliberately disruptive.
There is a big difference between being deliberately disruptive and having a different philosophical stance. I'm sure you all agree with that, right?
Not everyone needs to agree on god, religion, athiesm or agnosticism. But, everyone needs to know the basics of having an intellectual and philosophical conversation, if they want to contribute to the quality of conversation.
Everybody is allowed to play basketball. But you are not going to send the person who is holding a basketball for the first time in their life to the NBA, right?
So in summary, the solution to this thread, is to start a new fresh thread with fresh new rules and have a healthy discussion.