Posted by: EastSidaz November 15, 2011
BABURAM is not the real hero.
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   Chaurey, I did not say national cause supersedes any crime. Let's not make any blanket statements. I do believe it would be better to get a peaceful result in this very case for national cause. Well law and order are not the same for everyone( though as much as I wish it to be). Some people enjoy the laxness of law when the person is not a layman.e.g. celebrities in the US. Dhungel is a Shavashad ( I dont know how he got that position), so he may be considered as a special case. My point is the pardon has already been approved by the ministers. If it were not done yet, then it would  have been worthwhile to discuss about it. And Baburam has declared he can not and will not retract his decision. So we are past that phase when we could debate about the wisdom of giving pardon to Dhungel. Now we have to debate the legality of the ministerial decision to ask for presidential pardon to Dhungel. Is it unconstitutional? Can the ministry appeal for nullification of Supreme court decision? Have they acted within their right vested by the Constitution of Nepal? We are not in a phase where we can debate whether murderer should be punished. Of course they should be punished. Of course everyone should be held accountable for one's action. Everyone knows that. But this case is way way past that phase. 
   To your question whether I would have behaved differently if the victim were my relative - well you are marching into a hypothetical realm so I can not claim with certitude that I would do this. Nor can you claim with certitude that I would do that. Well the grief among the victims family is unfathomable. To truly know the grief one has to go through the experience. The suicide of Ujjan's niece says it all. You talk about fabric/foundation of nation building. You dream about utopian society. You ask for western style law and order. Bro, what was the last time you went to Nepal? Reality in Nepal is harsh. People are leaving the country in droves because of this kind of political show. Noone cares about economy. Even the ministry of labor is unaware of the unemployment rate in Nepal and no one cares. 40 dead Nepalese are unclaimed in Saudi Arab. We can expect more from the government and we should. But we should pick our priorities. If we are not willing to settle our differences. It will never settle. This has to be put to an end somewhere someday. 
   Vasudev, you said: So, you prefer a law system where criminals are pardoned by politicians due to their affiliation? This thread is about Baburam's involvement in the ministerial decision to ask for presidential pardon for Dhungel. It's not about me. I prefer a stable Nepal. I did not make that decision. I am not commenting on the wisdom to come up with that decision. I am just suggesting  possible(practical) outcomes of the decision since the decision has already been made. I am asking everyone to look forward not backward. To do so I have asked about the legality(not the wisdom) of the decision.
   I find Baburam's retraction from the decision very unlikely hence I hesitate to insist on that. That's the practical side of me. About the politicization of murder during the civil war era, I dont think a full justification was needed to murder an opponent, just a small excuse was enough. And the two wives could have been the very excuse in Ujjan's case.  

  To your other question: So you are admitting what kind of people maobadis are.  Yes I admit what kind of people they are. They came from the jungle. They kill people without mercy. Now that they are trying to abide by the law, I welcome them. Their atrocity is the reason I don't want them to go back to jungle. Just imagine how much our nation will lose if we wage another civil war. This concern should not be a deterrent to the enforcement of law and order. But one should be able to adapt to time and circumstances. Difficult circumstances call for difficult choice. It's your choice.


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