Posted by: chanaa_tarkaari February 5, 2011
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Shantipriya,
"You asked me 20 years story I gave you the recent of that. Your ignorance challenged my experience and I was compelle to put this picture for your wisdom, the issue which you outrigtly denied no? "
Wrong!!! You should stop making your own ignorant assumptions. Re-read the coversation from the top. I did not ask you 20 years story of thimi or bhaktapur. You wrote "no toilets (still go to thimi or bhaktapur you will still find same case), -- About thimi bhaktapur go there you will still see hell lot of people shiting on a land early morining". These are your words. You were sounding as if other area is crystal-clean. I just asked you, where, which area, which tole, which near-by monument you will see people shiting on a land early morning. You don't have a answer.
"Mind you, the activity has not changed even though it is protected. Many old houses in thimi area still does not have toilets."
I don't believe it. There are approximately 8000 houses in original Newar settlement of Thimi area. You need to show me at least 10% of those houses without toilet to prove your point.
"You do not need to say what you did or did not, ( it is similar, along the line that I am phd in chemistry and bla bla, some one said in this diff thread in sajha) nobody cares,"
Fine. I don't hope you care about the true information and positive changes. The additional information was provided to tell you my exposure with the area, I have been there, seen the spot, and I know the good and bad side of the story. If these info are "bla bla" for you, you have exposed yourself.
"and issue here is not about whether that is sustainable practice or not, that is a separate debate, you do not need to twist the fact."
Yes, it is a separate issue, I was just sharing my learning through my experience, which fascinates me. By the way, I am still waiting the contact of your Tamang friend, doing PhD. I like to share my learnings whenever they come close to the debates I engage myself.
"I ask you to go to other villages also, like I mentioned Siddhipur-another newari settlement and observe."
Been there too, studied and have spent plenty of time with Siddipur dwellers too. They are little behind Thimi but they are also making progress in improving their locality.
"If you want to draw many tangents to get your point, then you are just digressing. Issue about this thread is how people like you " newar" are unaware of the " other newar and thier life style"- Yet think as if you know every thing."
Matter of the fact, you are the one who helped dragging this thread beyond the scope of the original post, jumping over digressing issues, defame newars and putting self-defeating poisonous arguments. You have called Newars "sampradaik", "racist", "narrow minded", "inventor of derrogatory words", "defeated mentality" and what not. Read the thread from the beginning, or let a third person, who know nothing about Newar-khas friction, read and judge this conversation. You have "accusing mentality" and "confused state of mind", that is why you directly accused me as "ignorant", "divisive", "radical extremist thinking", and "know every thing". I listened you calmly and tried to share my opinion. I did never claim I know every thing. Some friends mentioned about additional factors, and I replied within the limit of what I knew.
"If you do not have any idea about the thimi, let alone the other newari towns. "
Do not make your judgement that way. You don't need to have idea about Thimi to know Newar towns. In earlier post, I mentioned "Mye-dofo", the unique rarely known local name. It clearly shows, you did not get what I know about thimi. You have to read Thimi thoroughly to know such unique names. You may think I am bragging or writing like someone you mentioned above. But, I know many people reading this thread are laughing because they know I am one of the member of the team who digitized the map of Thimi before Google-era. I processed the Landsat-TM satellite image to cross-check the areal-photo based survey maps. I obviously believe I have enough information about thimi. Due to the connection of my past work, I can have access to some latest data as well. Besides that I also know some facts beyond my field of works. FYI, thimi is the place where bihar-buddhism started, thimi is the place where buildings lay-out and urban-designs follow "baastuShastra" exactly as in Patan-chyasal area, thimi is the town built on geologically more stable land, better place from the viewpoint of earthquick risk that faced least damange in 1934 EQ. Thimi's Nigu-pukhu (two ponds that you can see in your picture too, which is now converted to park, I think) was a no-outlet pond - a unique concept of water-recycling at such height where no geological acquifer pumps water up. These two ponds were ground water source for drinking water pumped up from more than 10 wells located around the pond within 100-m radial distance. The ground-water seepage process was functioning as the natural water-purifier. I know you will get irritated while reading this much detail because you don't know the science behind this fabulous invention of 8th century, you have not seen how it worked for past 1300 years, and you have no interest in learning these fascinating system that Newar had built in Nepal. Again, I am sharing this just as a bonus token, which could be a separate issue from the OP, but useful to know.
"You asked me 20 years story I gave you the recent of that. Your ignorance challenged my experience and I was compelle to put this picture for your wisdom, the issue which you outrigtly denied no? "
Wrong!!! You should stop making your own ignorant assumptions. Re-read the coversation from the top. I did not ask you 20 years story of thimi or bhaktapur. You wrote "no toilets (still go to thimi or bhaktapur you will still find same case), -- About thimi bhaktapur go there you will still see hell lot of people shiting on a land early morining". These are your words. You were sounding as if other area is crystal-clean. I just asked you, where, which area, which tole, which near-by monument you will see people shiting on a land early morning. You don't have a answer.
"Mind you, the activity has not changed even though it is protected. Many old houses in thimi area still does not have toilets."
I don't believe it. There are approximately 8000 houses in original Newar settlement of Thimi area. You need to show me at least 10% of those houses without toilet to prove your point.
"You do not need to say what you did or did not, ( it is similar, along the line that I am phd in chemistry and bla bla, some one said in this diff thread in sajha) nobody cares,"
Fine. I don't hope you care about the true information and positive changes. The additional information was provided to tell you my exposure with the area, I have been there, seen the spot, and I know the good and bad side of the story. If these info are "bla bla" for you, you have exposed yourself.
"and issue here is not about whether that is sustainable practice or not, that is a separate debate, you do not need to twist the fact."
Yes, it is a separate issue, I was just sharing my learning through my experience, which fascinates me. By the way, I am still waiting the contact of your Tamang friend, doing PhD. I like to share my learnings whenever they come close to the debates I engage myself.
"I ask you to go to other villages also, like I mentioned Siddhipur-another newari settlement and observe."
Been there too, studied and have spent plenty of time with Siddipur dwellers too. They are little behind Thimi but they are also making progress in improving their locality.
"If you want to draw many tangents to get your point, then you are just digressing. Issue about this thread is how people like you " newar" are unaware of the " other newar and thier life style"- Yet think as if you know every thing."
Matter of the fact, you are the one who helped dragging this thread beyond the scope of the original post, jumping over digressing issues, defame newars and putting self-defeating poisonous arguments. You have called Newars "sampradaik", "racist", "narrow minded", "inventor of derrogatory words", "defeated mentality" and what not. Read the thread from the beginning, or let a third person, who know nothing about Newar-khas friction, read and judge this conversation. You have "accusing mentality" and "confused state of mind", that is why you directly accused me as "ignorant", "divisive", "radical extremist thinking", and "know every thing". I listened you calmly and tried to share my opinion. I did never claim I know every thing. Some friends mentioned about additional factors, and I replied within the limit of what I knew.
"If you do not have any idea about the thimi, let alone the other newari towns. "
Do not make your judgement that way. You don't need to have idea about Thimi to know Newar towns. In earlier post, I mentioned "Mye-dofo", the unique rarely known local name. It clearly shows, you did not get what I know about thimi. You have to read Thimi thoroughly to know such unique names. You may think I am bragging or writing like someone you mentioned above. But, I know many people reading this thread are laughing because they know I am one of the member of the team who digitized the map of Thimi before Google-era. I processed the Landsat-TM satellite image to cross-check the areal-photo based survey maps. I obviously believe I have enough information about thimi. Due to the connection of my past work, I can have access to some latest data as well. Besides that I also know some facts beyond my field of works. FYI, thimi is the place where bihar-buddhism started, thimi is the place where buildings lay-out and urban-designs follow "baastuShastra" exactly as in Patan-chyasal area, thimi is the town built on geologically more stable land, better place from the viewpoint of earthquick risk that faced least damange in 1934 EQ. Thimi's Nigu-pukhu (two ponds that you can see in your picture too, which is now converted to park, I think) was a no-outlet pond - a unique concept of water-recycling at such height where no geological acquifer pumps water up. These two ponds were ground water source for drinking water pumped up from more than 10 wells located around the pond within 100-m radial distance. The ground-water seepage process was functioning as the natural water-purifier. I know you will get irritated while reading this much detail because you don't know the science behind this fabulous invention of 8th century, you have not seen how it worked for past 1300 years, and you have no interest in learning these fascinating system that Newar had built in Nepal. Again, I am sharing this just as a bonus token, which could be a separate issue from the OP, but useful to know.