Posted by: chanaa_tarkaari February 3, 2011
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Shantipriya,
"if you want to denounce historical fact then tell " Nepa" as separate rajya and undo the PN Shah's victroy. Can you?"
This is totally irrelevant question. I don't know where did you find me denouncing historical fact.
"we ourself recognize ourself as a " newa"- remember " jhi newa newaye jhui" .............."
That is true. I have not seen difference in using newa, newar, newah, which all do not violate basic nepal bhas grammar. So, use of these word are fine. Initially Siddhidas Mahaju's movement "Don't use NEWAR+i" was not well discussed. But now, all scholars of Newar art, culture, language, etc. have stopped using the "+i" word. Facebook's action may be one step on supporting that movement. Here, I just shared the news. I am not originator of this issue. This issue was there before birth of my father.
"KTM newars have never been receptive and open, as I said, we are the one who discover all kind of derogatory words to other community"
Well, you being a proper KTM-Newar, you can say it. As far as I know, it is not 100% true because every society has derogatory words for outsiders and even for insiders, not only KTM-Newars. Sen, Marsya, Khen, Barmu words have nice linguistic explanation of origin, evolution and use. Some might have been used to derrogate, who has not done that in our society? Newars are also made a subject of fun in many other society.
"I remember when my mom used to say..........stop BS bro we all newars know it."
Time has changed a lot. These days it is rare to find Moms teaching sons that way. Also, we have to understand the limit of public acceptability of some words. For example, the words "kanchha" and "bahadur" within a family may be lovely, but the same word may be offensive if an Indian uses to call a Nepalese in public. A Naay may not hesitate to tell "Jipi Naaye tay thwo chalan du", but you are not advised to say "Oh Naay Chya twone dhuna laa?" in public. We need to understand the limit of acceptability.
"20 years ago, most of newari settlment did not have water supply, hiti, tunchi or common hiti established by rana "
If a Rana comes here, he will die laughing out loud after reading your text. All Newah settlements were equipped with planned urban infrastructure to meet the need of their time (road, sewage, water supply, open grounds, religious monuments, entertainment area etc.). Several Masters/PhD Thesis are written on the excellence of Newah urban planning. Most bahals, nani, roads were stone and brick paved, which were lacking maintenance but were not unpaved as you think. The facilities were sufficiently sustainable for the population of that time. Ohh yeah, they layed the network of drinking water and electricity, but that was not due to their mercy. That was due to higher return over the investment cost because of dense settlement in KTM and its larger economy.
"Brother have you even been to inchanku danda ............. you do not have road their living condition is terrible"
How many years you have not visited back Nepal? These days, it is totally different.
"All I AM TRYING TO SAY IS UNLESS WE DO NOT ..... OF NEW GENERATION IT IS UP TO US! "
I don't understand what makes you think it is advocating purest ethnic community when bringing the facts out. For you, rising as a community should be useless issue, isn't it? You mentioned "first Nepali" somewhere, then why you talk about these communal stuffs? why you are concerned for Newar being minority population? Why you even want to be a Newar of new generation? Dump it and reject it. It's individual choice. No hard feeling.
"Btw, when I was in Biratnagar, ..... you will know what I mean."
As I mentioned above, it is their choice. If they know nothing about Newar culture and language, they should better write what they are comfortable on. You have to respect their choice. Noone should blame for leaving language, culture, religion, society or even country if they do that on their will. People have right to make decision for themselves. But I blame to Khas rulers (not entire Khas community, but the RULERS and ELITES) for serious harm they did against Newar and many other non-khas culture and language during Shah-Rana and Panchayet regime by creating systematic discreminating system which discouraged people to continue their own language and culture.
"if you want to denounce historical fact then tell " Nepa" as separate rajya and undo the PN Shah's victroy. Can you?"
This is totally irrelevant question. I don't know where did you find me denouncing historical fact.
"we ourself recognize ourself as a " newa"- remember " jhi newa newaye jhui" .............."
That is true. I have not seen difference in using newa, newar, newah, which all do not violate basic nepal bhas grammar. So, use of these word are fine. Initially Siddhidas Mahaju's movement "Don't use NEWAR+i" was not well discussed. But now, all scholars of Newar art, culture, language, etc. have stopped using the "+i" word. Facebook's action may be one step on supporting that movement. Here, I just shared the news. I am not originator of this issue. This issue was there before birth of my father.
"KTM newars have never been receptive and open, as I said, we are the one who discover all kind of derogatory words to other community"
Well, you being a proper KTM-Newar, you can say it. As far as I know, it is not 100% true because every society has derogatory words for outsiders and even for insiders, not only KTM-Newars. Sen, Marsya, Khen, Barmu words have nice linguistic explanation of origin, evolution and use. Some might have been used to derrogate, who has not done that in our society? Newars are also made a subject of fun in many other society.
"I remember when my mom used to say..........stop BS bro we all newars know it."
Time has changed a lot. These days it is rare to find Moms teaching sons that way. Also, we have to understand the limit of public acceptability of some words. For example, the words "kanchha" and "bahadur" within a family may be lovely, but the same word may be offensive if an Indian uses to call a Nepalese in public. A Naay may not hesitate to tell "Jipi Naaye tay thwo chalan du", but you are not advised to say "Oh Naay Chya twone dhuna laa?" in public. We need to understand the limit of acceptability.
"20 years ago, most of newari settlment did not have water supply, hiti, tunchi or common hiti established by rana "
If a Rana comes here, he will die laughing out loud after reading your text. All Newah settlements were equipped with planned urban infrastructure to meet the need of their time (road, sewage, water supply, open grounds, religious monuments, entertainment area etc.). Several Masters/PhD Thesis are written on the excellence of Newah urban planning. Most bahals, nani, roads were stone and brick paved, which were lacking maintenance but were not unpaved as you think. The facilities were sufficiently sustainable for the population of that time. Ohh yeah, they layed the network of drinking water and electricity, but that was not due to their mercy. That was due to higher return over the investment cost because of dense settlement in KTM and its larger economy.
"Brother have you even been to inchanku danda ............. you do not have road their living condition is terrible"
How many years you have not visited back Nepal? These days, it is totally different.
"All I AM TRYING TO SAY IS UNLESS WE DO NOT ..... OF NEW GENERATION IT IS UP TO US! "
I don't understand what makes you think it is advocating purest ethnic community when bringing the facts out. For you, rising as a community should be useless issue, isn't it? You mentioned "first Nepali" somewhere, then why you talk about these communal stuffs? why you are concerned for Newar being minority population? Why you even want to be a Newar of new generation? Dump it and reject it. It's individual choice. No hard feeling.
"Btw, when I was in Biratnagar, ..... you will know what I mean."
As I mentioned above, it is their choice. If they know nothing about Newar culture and language, they should better write what they are comfortable on. You have to respect their choice. Noone should blame for leaving language, culture, religion, society or even country if they do that on their will. People have right to make decision for themselves. But I blame to Khas rulers (not entire Khas community, but the RULERS and ELITES) for serious harm they did against Newar and many other non-khas culture and language during Shah-Rana and Panchayet regime by creating systematic discreminating system which discouraged people to continue their own language and culture.