Livewire, "I agree with u on the first point. I don't think the government should ban religious sacrifices based on ethics. But then banning scarifices does not mean we lose ur identity, ie, cultural. I believe our culture is more than animal sacrifices. I have no problem with the premise here but i think u go over board on ur explanations."

When I am saying banning I am not just talking about sacrifices... I am talking about our paramparaaa ritiriwaz etc. etc that define nepalis not just as newars but there are sub cultures in newars too. My sentiment is that we brought dddoukwasjii for freedom and this discussion of banning reverses exactly what the people strived for. Before it used to be that king banned this and the king banned that----> I DO NOT SEE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEN AND NOW. As far as the animal sacrifices are concerned ... I grew up watching them(did not agree with them neither did my family) but people have the right to believe in what they want. It is inhumane for us to see animal sacrifice but for a butcher its part of a daily life.

Livewire,"But i completely agree with nepe's point 4. i think it was regarding granting local communities more rights to stage festivals and jatras. I disagree when u say there will be a civil war if we do this. I see that throughout our reaction u tend to get hyper."

Ok easier said than done. Then how are you going to divide the money ? Don't tell me that tyo dasain ma hanuman dhoka sacrifices will get $$$$ while Indrajatra won't ? Or that Shivaratri will get $$ while GAI JATRA won't ? or that Tihar celebrations would get $$$ while Lhosar won't ? I am not getting hyper I am just conutering your argument. YOU CANNOT JUST PASS THE BUCK AND SAY ITS UP TO THEM. A GOVT> AND A LEADER"S JOB IS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM NOT PASS THE BUCK. Here NEPE GADHA WANTS TO PASS THE BUCK.

Livewire,"By empowering local communities (ie, guthis, VDCs, Wards, municipalities), we let them make their own decisions regarding their local culture and festivals. For example let them decide whether to use the fund for sacarice or to construct a new chariot. How is this a bad idea? By letting them decide, we are making them less dependent on the government which is already weak. Furtherrmore, tomorrow if there is a problem, maybe, people would go to their woda or vdc office or municipality to complain and not resort to street protests pelting stones and destroying infrastructures that are already decaying."

ok then GIVE BACK ALL THE LANDS THAT WAS ENGULFED BY THE GOVT SO THAT THEY CAN FUND THEIR OWN FESTIVALS. THE DEAL WAS TO FUND FESTIVALS IN RETURN FOR LAND------> AND NOW THEY WANT TO TAKE THAT AWAY TOO ? THE QUESTION HERE IS FOR FUNDS NOT ANIMAL SACRIFICES. THEY TOOK ALL THE LANDS FROM GUTHIS IN RETURN FOR FUNDING THESE FESTIVALS ABA AYERA NA GUTHI KO LAND CHA NA GOVT LEY PAISA DIYAA CHA. That is like giving the middle finger to newari society.

Livewire,"Surely government can help with some fund, security, permits to use public space for festivities. But the community can do more, ie recruit volunteer or raise additional money (probably more than what government can raise)."

Yeah again GIVE BACK ALL OF THE LAND THAT THE GOVT. TOOK FROM NEWARI GUTHIS THEN WE CAN TALK.

Livewire," Regarding distribution for public fund and how much the government should allocate, just look at the community in question. Which needs more and which needs less. If it is an affluent area with museums, restaurants that thive because of the locale it is in or has guthi that is rich as apposed to those in dire state, the local authority (with aid from the central government) can manage most expenses."

ha ha ha In your logic some dinky town in the middle of nowhere would get the same amount of money as NYC ? ha ha ha If NYC pays more $$$ in federal taxes they should get more back into their community than that dinky old town. That is like telling residents of KTM to goto hell. If they are paying more than other they should get more back from th govt. otherwiswe they wil pay the exact same amount of taxes as those gouns and keep their revenues to themselves to fund whatever they want. TALK ABOUT FAIRNESS.

I SUPPORT THE NEWARS TOO BUT I THINK THIS IS REALLY UNFAIR IN TERMS OF WHAT THE NEWARI SOCIETY HAVE BEEN PUT THROUGH IN THE LAST CENTURY. And if this govt. fails to make these right for them then they just might have another rebellion in hand.