divdude, pardon my comment: of course the book you recommended is ONE OF THE BEST. but my personal opinion ITS NOT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST STARTING TO LEARN. you are recommending Stroustrup's book for someone who found "C++ how to program" by Dietel and Dietel CONFUSING "robinium," "DIETEL'S" how to programming series is probably one of the simplest you would find in that aspect. " except one of those LEARN IN 21 DAYS series" or " one of those $VAR FOR DUMMIES" $VAR = ( C++ || C || JAVA) IF !DEFINED ======================================================= but once again what do i know (O: