Well, it is often hard to convey message if your head is pre-occupied with hate and anger. I am afraid if my earlier post was comprehended properly, I am going to elaborate some of my earlier points here. My focal point was Those who do not understand the interdependency of newar subgroups and how the entire newar community is formed to be a solid integrated system of different sub-systems confined through their professions reinforced by their own unique culture, they do grow up a lot kind of negative feeling. I see all your venoms secreted here is the reflection of the same negative feeling. In addition to that I also wrote - there are some division and feeling of upper/lower casts among newars, which is not as bad as in the past. Pode, chyame, jugi, naye etc. who were not allowed to touch water in the past, are being welcomed to seat in the same row of sukuu bhoye. Yet, the level of discrimation is not perfectly gone but they are going to disappear soon. I added then Newar groups and subgroups did never display any extreme hate or isolation among themselves. Yes, you guys brought issues disagreeing with me particularly highlighting the cast discrimination among newars. But what you are referring as the example of discrimination is the age-old scenario. Have you recently been to any newar gathering and social activities in Nepal ? Did you have closely looked into the structure and level of tolerance on cast issues among Newar populous in general? If yes, you will see the level of rigidness in touchable/untouchable matter and the cast-based pride is reduced to almost nil. Our society has changed and changing much rapidly than what you are thinking of that while you stay considerable time of your active life abroad. Those people, who were not allowed to go upstairs in one's house 20 years ago, are now seating side by side, eating foods supplied from the same kitchen. People do not hesitate to use utensils exchanged among multiple cast-groups of the society unlike 3 decades ago. There is almost no cast-based resistance in entrances to temples, festivals, social events, restaurents, public gathering etc. Don't you consider such a drastic change a positive sign that is corecting the wrong past? Why you guys are talking the 30 years old stuffs with added masalaa trying to show as if Newar society has no change in this modern era? If you don't recognize such a great social change taking now as the positive sign, then I have every reason to believe you guys are doomed. It is not fair to involve the issue of so called "arranged marriage" in this debate as this process allows one to chose bride/groom from the family/parent who may set criteria as they wish. Some may like to match cast, some may see economic status, some may see level of education, some may see geographical boundaries, some may see family health records and all sort of likes and dislikes. It is up to them. You can't interpret every likes and dislikes as the racist feature. A story on struggling against family to marry a girl/boy liked by him/herself has very less to do with the racist/discrimination, but more with the parental pride and feeling that makes them too conservative to think their kid should follow the family-decision. Newly-wed couple standing against their family-wish may voluntarily leave parental house searching a better life or they may be kicked out from home as if their parents punish for disobeying. But you can't generalize such a story which is very personal and case-dependent. Such a couple may gather huge fortune or may go to endless struggle depending upon the route they elect to live. You can't relate their fortune or tragedy simply to the cast of your own. You can't blame the entire newar community for your failure to earn acceptance from your parents and/or family-in-laws, It is your problem of being unable to win their respect and build good interpersonal relation. I don't deny home-entry was a problem in the past among different sub-cast groups of newar, but there were (and are) tradition of involving people of different cast together in social functions. For example, our society teaches you to respect a Napit (Nau) as equal as a Bajracharya (Guruju) or Rajopadhyaya (Bajya) because until a Nau does not complete his cultural role in your rituals, they are never complete despite having presence of Bajya or Guruju, There are a lot of such a fine arrangement of duties bound by belief and tradition that tie you tightly with all cast groups in the community despites having hierarchy in their recognition. Would that be possible to keep functioning such a system for centuries if newars used to have hate and isolation among their various cast groups? No. To understand such a finely structured social system, you need to involve yourselve in social responsibilities, guthis, take active roles in major ceremonies of birth, death, bratabandh, ihi, barha, jankwo, and other social activities like cultural musics, dance, festivals etc. It does not surprise me when I hear a very superficial criticism of Newar society and societal values by those people who have never engaged themselve deep into the tradition and culture of Newar populous, who are isolated from all sort of family responsibilities and social duties in the name of building their career, who are never educated on the aesthetics and social inter-relationship among different cast groups, and had never attempted to seek positive but only reciprocated negative comments floating elsewhere. Newar society as a whole is not a regressive society. It can change to meet the demand of time but few individuals of the society who pioneers the change, definitely face hard time. I myself was once badly isolated in the community when I disobeyed home entrance restriction among different cast groups some 20 years ago. I struggled entering every houses, eating together with upper/lower cast group people, spending time in houses irrespective of their cast, which was definitely criticized by a cast-sensitive conservatives then. I was chased from bhajan mandali, was not allowed to enter guthi, etc. There were plenty of rigid people but they are not to blame because such a rigidity also do have some sort of contribution to retain the robustness of system. I am glad I tried breaking a rigid mentality on wrong practice and was successful in my tole, relatives and nearby area to reduce (if not eliminate) the level of rigidity in cast-based feeling. My hard effort has paid me now as I do have good friends in a good newar community. People listen me, and they are in good relation with me. Local people believe I am an influential person who has earned respect from a large mass of marginalized cast groups. It needs patience and effort to clean up some of wrong traditional practice, but if you keep on vomiting your negative feeling but without attempting any positive contribution to clean up, how can I agree with you guys then? Yeah, I can ask you to mold your opinions in different way by involving deep into the culture and traditional practice. You will never be able to understand them by hating the traditional values and biting hamburger in foreign land.