Raascal J, good point and good example. As far as I know him, he is outspoken, truthful gentleman. I have no doubt about his honesty. And I personally know that his answer is blameless. I don't believe that all upper castes are disciplined and all lower castes are undisciplined. However, if you do honest survey, statistically you will be bound to accept this undesirable truth. I know genetically there is nothing big difference between Dalit and so called upper castes. The percentage of talented in Dalit society will be almost the same as that of the so called upper castes. .............This is science. However, there is vast difference between their cultures. Upper caste has disciplined culuture which gives high value to morality where as lower caste doesn't care much about morality. A culture which is based on morality will certainly prevail over the culture which is not based on morality... This is also science. I want to make it very clear..... I am not pointing finger to person's capacity; I am pointing finger to the culture of the person... A culture which governs the person is quite responsible for the progress of the person. Had we have scientific culture ..... there would have been Noble Laureate in our country as well....genetically we are not much differet then Japanese and Germans who have many Noble Laureates. Regarding your example of UC Berkeley, I have nothing to surprise about. Asians were the frist people who had organized education system. Taxila in India was a education center dates back more then 4000 years. Chinese began to write more then 4000 years ago. White people know the history of the world and they don't underestimate Asians. Eventhough the education had never been commonplace in Asia, it has been there since thousands of years. It is not only UC Berkeley, Asians are remarkably significent in allmost all US Universities, especially in graguate schools. Again, here apply the same bitter truth....those asians who reached to these universities must have been well cultured and well disciplained :). Asian populatin is another factor. I thought I will finish whatever I want to say by this time. But I am not able to... So, I must write next week. ....In the both the threads I have to write the similar conclusion.