Guys, I thought i should post a conversation between me and my friend from last night.. I did not edit any text, they are as is, but edited for clarity and ommited some foul languages. thank you for reading. all opinions are welcome --------------------------------------------- me: kay chha ta tero bichar nepal ko baare ma bajracharya: difficult question me: kina difficult.. just an opinion doesn't have to be analytical bajracharya: what happened right now seems a good thing, but when i hear prachanda say nepal will be like europe in next 10 years.. i find it stupid me: all communist say that whenever they need to win people's heart bajracharya: i am concerned about the kind of hostility against kathmanduities from others me: well.. that has been in existence for a long long time mitra hoina ra la ta afai bhanta... can nepal survive as sovereign republic as oppose to sovereign monarchy bajracharya: but now its more evident and there are people who will always try to exploit situations like this me: even if the monarcy is ceremonial, or just like sweden or norway, i think nepal should stay monarchy.. of course... everyone will exploit.. they have to, to fullfill their plans and programs bajracharya: i personally think monarchy should be abolished me: kina bajracharya: what is a king good for me: well.. there are many ways we can look king for.. what KG did in 2003, was a mistake.. bajracharya: i do not believe in one inheriting a position like that just being someone's son me: a big time mistake becuase of his ill advisors. bajracharya: he is a stupid guy me: well.. there is a difference between ruling king and a ceremonial king.. bajracharya: when i look at his interviews i see a guy who is high on some kind of hallucinating drug me: i think.. king is importat because.. he is only symbol of unity in such a diverse country we can all say we have a king.. but once he goes, we just become divided.. maoists haave already divided the country by the ethnicty rather than, geography bajracharya: well you can say you are a citizen of a country called nepal yes that is what i disagree me: what does the citizenship have to do with monarchy... bajracharya: that divison thing is totally ridiculos me: yeah.. bajracharya: you should divide the countries based on other things like : industrial city, city for education, city for entertainment things like that.. seems to make more sense and any development in the country should move out of kathmandu me: well.. i love the idea of democracy becuase that is the only way to express our true identity and feelings but, at the cost of monarchy.. i don't agree. becasue.. once the monarchy is gone, you know that our leaders will certainly exploit our country to india's interest, thus alienating china.. i agree. that all development should move out of kathmandu, but haven't we been trying to do that since 1980 bajracharya: i don't think so me: gau farka rastryia abhiyan afno gau afai banau etc etc bajracharya: what happened during that why do i see millions of engineering campus in KTM all major offices in kathmandu me: who is going to do that when the country is turmoiled in political delimna bajracharya: if they have to build something big, its always kathmandu do what me: yes, because that is only economically feasible place for all businessmen and political leaders to benefit from do what ko answer : going back to other settllings other than kathmandu but, if republic is going to bring peace... i darn well support it.. bajracharya: well you can always impose a policy saying you can no more open a engineering campus in KTM me: all i want to make sure, as a citizen, is to walk on the streets without having to worry about being killed, or extorted bajracharya: go open that in hetauda or naryanghat or i don't know janakpur me: too expensive.. bajracharya: well those who open those schools make money like hell so they have to bear the expense if they want to build it me: and remember... we have only one international airport.. bajracharya: build another one me: that's why it is cheapest in kathmandu, when you talk about economic commodities.. bajracharya: or build local airports me: where is the $$$$$ to build another one bajracharya: king has it me: nepal doesn't nepal doens't have money brother bajracharya: use birendras property me: king... s**t.. king is broke.. bajracharya: i don't buy that me: that's why he had to step down in what we know as jana andolan 2 if he had $$$, he would have still been the de facto ruler of nepal birendra's got nothing anyore.. bajracharya: what would he have done with money me: they are all gone.. bajracharya: well where are they gone me: got more millitary.. army was directly under the supervison of the king if he had not stepped down in june... i mean by june,, nepal would have been bank rupted dude.. he spent them all in the three year rule. export decreased by over 20%.. tourism collapsed completely how is nepal going to make money.. forget borrwoing.. no one was loaning nepal under the direct rule he tied to sell some hydro proects and some govt corporations such as NEC and NTC... bajracharya: he should have sold some hasish me: hah hahahahahah yeah.. but nepal monarchy has taken $$$$ from US not to do that so, that wasn't going to happen if KG did that, then he woul dhave been another KB this is what is going to happen to nepal.. i think PM bajracharya: happen what me: the king will be abdicated by the CA.. no doubt.. bajracharya: CA ? assemly ok me: then, there will be an election to the House,.. where.. there will be no majority.. uml and maoists will form a joint govt nepal will be a communist state and will be isolated from the international community back to basics and dark ages.. when people will be tired in 10 yrs.. (just like eastern europe of the last decade).. then, we will ask india to help us restore peace.. india sends in the millitary.. (remember china will not like it).. but india will make a deal if india agrees to ratify that tibet is chinese land, the chinese wouldn't care the fate of nepal bajracharya: haa me: now, it does becuase nepal is the only country in the world that ratifiies that tibet is chinese land bajracharya: straightforward cha tero prophecy me: once, they find an accomplice.. ey would just f**k nepal bhanai matrai ta ho ni hunu ra nahunu ta malai kay thaha bajracharya: hoina this sound more reasonable me: 2003 mai hunu parney ganatantra.. aba 2007 ma hunchha bajracharya: because i donot see anything positive that might happen me: tehi bhaneko.. i mean.. imagine the nepalese diversity.. bajracharya: there is too little interest for smart people to stay there me: the south is full of hindu madhesis, who have been isolated by the western hilly bahuns and chhettris bajracharya: everyone gets out of there me: eastern hill billies are just rais and limbus... they are all about noon ko sojho so, we have 4 blocks of ethnic regions the southern madhesis the western bahuns and chhetri land lords the eastern lahures and kathmandu valley newars do u even see a single reason why they would be united with one value with out the king i do not see any.. bajracharya: why would they be united because of the kin g me: the best way is to abdicate, KG, Prince Paras.. and restore King Hridayendra as the first King of new kingdom of nepal bajracharya: hahaha me: because.. 86% of nepalese are hindu and when u add 10% buddhist.. we have 96% of people who follow the concept of king what a hindu do without a king up until now, we have a hindu king .. bajracharya: don't ask me that i denounce religion me: unless we accept king bhumibol abdulyaj as the our king.. then.. it is okay but he is not a hindu king.. he is buddhist i understand.. u denounce.. it bajracharya: who the f**k is that me: but not 86% of nepalese king of thailand bajracharya: hahahaa i guessed me: hoina ra you see.. i don't follow any specific religion myself.. but, i enjoy and celebrate the traditions i grew up with bajracharya: the problem is with people being illiterate.. and they always been in a situation where they are willing to accept to be under a control of some superior being - in nepal - its the king me: yeah. and that is what KG forgot.. i tried to tell him that in so many ways.. but he never listened he he he.. aba jey hunchha november 26 pachi thaha hunchha with the interim constitution.. the worst thing is that.. they have isolated all the other parties as well.. bajracharya: so the solution is to establish favorable conditions so that people get literate enough and learn to understand their self-dignity me: only SPA and Maoists well.. we are too late.. bajracharya: they need to be made responsible themselves, not suppressed and let some selected few to write their destiny me: the solution is to go ahead with the new interim constituition.. abdicate king by next year.. held a new election for the houses.. elect a prime minister.. etc.. and continue with the new developlment.. bajracharya: and this is also because of the caste system and how higher caste has exploited the system to always suppress people below them me: but let the CA decide the fate of the monarchy bajracharya: and hack religion in the name of culture me: well.. that happens everywhere not just caste system but also class system u think they don't do that in china, or england or usa bajracharya: but in nepal the situation is worse because religion is very deep rooted faith that makes people hallucinated like the muslim extremists are me: tara.. one new agency must be constitutionalized yeah.. but religion is not really the problem in nepal religion is doing fine.. bajracharya: religion per se is the root of all evil.. but i understand wht you are saying me: u cannot just change the religion of the people.. unless u are justinian or muhammad bajracharya: i am talking about everwhere in general in the case of religion me: right .. right.. bajracharya: i am more that that - i say you don't need religion me: well.. religion (wiht this i mean dogmatic doctrines)... will continue to exist.. until one cannot solve the problem of creation bajracharya: you need to be taught values and respect me: i mean explain creation with complete evidence u see.. until this is not found, no one can change the concept of GOD and his mighty experiment with life and planets and stars bajracharya: i personally donot need to believe in some fancy myth to understand some thing that has not been explained.. but i am also not against someone believing that bramha masturbated and the earth was a ball of his solidified semen me: well.. myth are only stories.. to explain metaphorically if u look at the origin of the hindu doctrine, it was never meant to be a religion bajracharya: what i am against is someone who believes that trying to sell that as a book of rules by literally brainwashing people me: true.. very true.. and that is wrong bajracharya: yes.. of course i am fine and appreciate all the philosophical underpinnings me: and yes.. it is corrupted everyone performs an act to complete their satisfaction and full fill their desires hinduism got corrupted because of purans and upaniseds.. but, they were so interesting that people loved it and adorned it, instead of deeply understanding what sakharacharya had to say.. or the vedas had to say vedas are too difficult.. but sakaracharya explained quite easily the concept ... bajracharya: ok i don;t have good knowlege of these me: but after his death.. . bajracharya: who is sankaracharya me: everything became ulta and pulat sankarachaya was a very revered guru in south india.. bajracharya: ok wikipedia ma herdai chu me: who gave the concept of advaidya vedanta bajracharya: kailay padhis yesto kura haru tailay me: kahiely kahi tehi bhaneko.. yo sab.. puran ra.. upanised ley bigaryo kya aba tyo change garna ta.. arko buddha janminu parchha bajracharya: well those are things that cannot be solved in a lifetime me: tehi ved ko kura lai, buddha ley karma yoga ko rup ma manchhey lai dekhaidiyo.. mouka ma chauka.. yo m**i bahun haru lai ka chahiyo.. buddha marney bittikai... india ma.. tai ho ni.. bajracharya: what you need is to make everyone be able to access this knowledge whatever you are telling me me: vishnu ko avatar ko concept aayo.. it is already there.. bajracharya: people need to be be educated with these me: how else can we approach them bajracharya: and thats what the country should focus right now me: ahiley in india there is a gorup of people who are doing something like this they called themselves rationalist.. and trying to change people's concept of accepting mysticism, mythology and magic and how, philosophy and daily actual life is more important than having a blind faith.. such as... saibaba many people think he is god.. bajracharya: it doesnot have even have to be directly teaching them rationalism, you just first have to make them able to read these stuffs by their own and facilitate an environment where they can question against what is imposed on them me: in denver.. euta ghar ma sai baba ko photo bata bibhuti khasyo rey bajracharya: hehe me: u see.. that is the problem with places like in nepal and india.. finding a common ground to facilitate not all are educated so, cannot mass communicate with newspaper.. forget radio and televison.. bajracharya: you can start with schools, libraries, those are the things the government really have to build me: they would bring out ample time for mahabharat and ramayan... so, it is called direct call for action at grass root level... government is not going to spend a penny on this.. they do not benefit anything out of this.. in fact they can exploit this for thier own benefit bajracharya: so unless some good soul in government starts this we cannot expect good me: just like prachanda did.. yeah.. now u are talking.. that's why i said.. we need a new constituitonal agency that checks the activitiy of the government and policy makers bajracharya: they should ban any more engineering colleges there are too many of them me: well.. we already have authority for abuse and blah blah but, an agency that is independently operated, that keeps records of what the leaders have performed and said.. bajracharya: k bhannay aba.. it seems there is no single thing that is right me: let the life of the agency be 30 years.. for 6 election peiord.. each election, the agency will make all literature avaiale on any leaders that wants to run for the election... in all format for anyone.. publicly.. and let the people decide, if that leader is right for them.. bajracharya: yes but how much of public can read the literature really me: they don't have to read.. they can listen.. bajracharya: that is the problem.. among all those who can vote, how many of them can actually make a reasonable decision me: the agency will have authority over what is broadcasted... bajracharya: even in my case i have mo clue who i should vote for i have to vote now me: well.. then.. we are now questioning the judgement of the people.. we cannot judge or make analysis of what people decide.. or how their decidison is based on people is people.. that's it.. bajracharya: that agency thing is something that no one in the government would support me: that's why they have to be independent bajracharya: but if that can be established yes it makes sense me: not just govt but also the members of the house.. the offficers in ministries and department heads... etc if not through constitution, then may be through people like us.. but, it needs a lot of funding.. which i don't hink any one would be iterested because. it dones't benefit any international community the only one benefiting would be nepal bajracharya: the problem is whenever you see an andolon, you never hear such demands as such agencies me: and it has to come from nepal bajracharya: you hear demands like kick the king out or kick girija out me: because... this agency is a check for them they do not want hurdle.. they only want a clear track.. i would have done this.. but it needs a lot of funding bajracharya: and i bet there are smart people who think that there should be such a thing like that agency, so why there is no demand so far me: dinesh and i have made the plans how we can implement this concept.. bajracharya: who is dinesh me: mero sathi tara.. we need a lot of $$$$ which i think is not possible at this stage of our lives.. so, we'll just wiat for the CA election, then the fate of the mnarchy.. then.. the house election then, we'll go ahead with our plan.. and hopefully in 25-30 yrs.. we have genuine leaders for Nepal