Lootekukur - You are heading off topic again. I am tempted to comment on the point you raise about animals but talking about both in the same breadth will only make a mokcery of gays and derail this conversation. If you are so fascinated by the subject, I'd recomend a separate thread for it and I am sure people willl have interesting ideas to offer. Plus, this knack for abstract discussions that veer off course is precisely why it gets hard to have a meaningul dialogue on Sajha.