You know what went wrong with this thread ? Vishwontarji has to take a step back rather than trying impose lot of things he consider GOOD stuff that he might have understood. Same stuff may not be yet digestible to people like Nepe. We should take this discussion all the way back and start from disucssing "Mind and Matter". Nepe ji has raised the issue where human brain (made of matter) can do miraculous job, and therefore brain is so powerful. It's true. But those all miraculous things that human can do is because of matters that make up the brain. Nepe's question "First and foremost, why human brain HAS TO HAVE this POTENTIAL ? Why ? Has somebody designed it that way ? I hope you are getting where I am getting to. " Has somebody designed it? Is it answerable? All religions talk about supreme power/soul/God who designed it, of course without any proof. And based on such belief the religion has been operating. Buddha faced all these issues, Buddha tried all available paths to reach enlightment at that time. Therefore, what led him to develop Middle Path "Majjhima Nikaya"? We should be discussing from this point. I know Nepe is jumping like a monkey. agreeing disgreeing many issues. But we need to do a research if we want to find the answer. Anyways, I am laughing when Nepe's saying Hullicination is equal to Enlightment. The only difference between these two state of mind is that Hullucination is quite easy to gain, simply somke the weed or do drug like Shivaji. But Enlightment? No one knows what it is until you get it yourself. Buddha never said that what he taught/said is absolute truth. He rather encouraged people to think argue improve on his teachings. That's the reason why now there are many mnay types of Buddhisms. Do you guys know that Buddhism almost lost the ground when Nagarjun appeared (somewhat 500 years after Buddha) with his philosophy by which he could prove any thesis wrong. But in doing so, his own theory would not be proved right.. and that's why Nagarjun's philosophy crashed, and Buddha's teaching prevailed. Till today.