I was having some healthy discussion with ImI. I think this thread is better than the one(Uncontrolled housing) in which we were discussing... So I'm just copying and pasting the posts here. ImI said Posted on 07-14-06 8:14 PM Reply | Notify Admin There is still hope !!!:) sajahuser .. but i have no hope with visionless leaders!!! Still there can proper community developed , roads can become bigger..if only people are willing to do it or give it!!but we cannot force anybody.. they should stop any new building construction in Patan, and kathmandu ..old towns..just like in Bhaktapur.. Govt. + Private investment should do housing projects in area.Depending population density. The illegal buildings need to be demolised.. If one does have more than 1 roupanee.. they should not be allowed private house construction .. depending upon colony type. House in certain negibourhood cannnot exceed certain height depending upon..commerical, residential or housing apartment community.. well .. is there any leaders who can even think??????? sajhauser said: Posted on 07-14-06 9:04 PM Reply | Notify Admin It is true that houses are tight in ktm, but then it is an old city. Old cities in europe are quite dense too. how can you expect the cities to be like the ones in US where all cities are pre-planned and where land is so much cheaper than in ktm? About leadership, one person cannot really think for the whole country. They need information to make descision. Freedom of press plays a key role in process of development and restricts the politicians from wrong doings. But that is not enough; a strong opposition party is needed to put the leading party in line. If all power goes to king then there will be no one to oppose him and after all he's not any smarter than the politicians. he doesn't even know what the people need/want. Throughout this revolution I have seen the maoists acting as the opposition party, although they are not officially. They have forced the leaders to think. And when the politicans get forced, they try to do right things. Otherwise their head might get blowed ni....And as the democracy evolves the politcians will seek technical advice to make feasible plans. They will have to seek advice, if they don't, the opposition will criticize and protest them. That's what happens in democratic countries right? Ofcourse the politicians head doesn't get blown for not doing the right thing in developed countries, the law punishes them. But in Nepal there was a sense of lawlessness for the powerful and the elites. And only because of the revolution, has the law started to form as maoists take law in their own hands. ImI said: What was stopping them to get technical advise before????Just like the same king!!!! aren't these the same leaders???wasn't main opposition party UML strong??? didn''t girija killed so many uml cadres in 1992-3.Think!!!now only you can blame king and blah blah.. same girija killed uml opposition parties cadres during democracy!!!!incase u have forgetten i am reminding you and others as well. when one person takes law in their hand it is very hard to give power. remember that.You are supporting maoist wrong acts . you will very soon regret it!!!! ON HOPE: Sajahuser..i do not want to say don't hope but in two years you will be sad and i won't be cause you hope that why u get sad.. i don't hope and expect ..so i have no reason to be sad.This is my word ..note it down..in your brain.. you will be upset..I have analyzed in lot of ways ..how this country is going to turn out!!!!so good luck .. hope is funny word..especially in the case of Nepal!!!! On the topic: Land in Ktm expensive than USA???hmm...ok who said destroy all the old bulidings ... are you nuts??they are the main attraction of KTM!!! sajhauser said: Posted on 07-15-06 12:09 AM Reply | Notify Admin Although I hope for better Nepal, I haven't expected Nepal to develop in 2 years, infact not anytime soon. Successful development is a process that starts from grass-root level. Strong force like maoist wasn't there to force the politicians to even think in 92-93! And who did Girija kill? Please make it clear. okay even if you assume that girija killed UML cadres, then you must also know that politicians only know language of blood. so to bring them in line one has to use weapon too. Because even if you sing slogans of justice at the top of your lungs there is going to be no effect on the current(same) politicians when all they do is fight within themselves for power. so need of weapon was a must. Yes, it was dangerous when one person(gyane) took all the power. I am not talking about one person taking all the power. I'm talking about multiparty democracy. If things don't turn out to be the way I hoped for, I will not regret it. Because right now, i know there is no other way... And ImI, you said you've already analyzed and thus you see there is no hope for nepal. Why should I believe you? you don't have strong points that support the type of conclusion you make. So all you're doing here is bring negative and pessimistic views that doesn't help anyone but the king. Thus you become a royalist even if you don't want to.