Newuser wrote: "Some prefer to protect the crazy elephant, some the fox and some the chickens." Precisely. Just as I have no problem with your being against the fox, you should also have no problem with my being against the crazy elephant for now. The TRICKY thing to remember here is this: Being against the crazy elephant does NOT automatically mean that one is for the fox or against the chicken. Priorities differ. Reasonable people disagree, with their own reasons, about what's important. But this sort of public kurakani - far from being useless -- is AT the heart of any democratic system. I, for one, welcome and cherish this. oohi "OK, back to some serious work" ashu