If I had a choice between far right wing conservative like Rep. Sensenbrenner or a seasoned veteran moderate like Sen. Arlen Specter to create a bill that is good for both forms of immigration, I would choose Specter closed eye day night without a pin of doubt. Why because people like Tancredo or Sensenbrenner and needless to say have forgotten that the fouding fathers of the very institution that they strongly believe, who created the American constitution, were immigrants and their American supremacy as where it is now, were founded by immigrants who came from all over the world. They are doing jobs that American refuse to do. This is the point that needs to be taken in mind before bills like HR 4437 is created. People like Sensenbrenner who have heavily ignored the American middle class and have favored tax cuts for wealthy, needs to understand that before they give anything to the already rich folks, middle class is paying the burden of the sinking economy, paying for war, and they are the very ones who have been cut with programs like medicare and health care. This republican controlled congress have been run like, and I quote from Sen. Hillary Clinton, "plantation". You cannot possibly oust all the illegal immigrants. HR 4437 is an inhumane and degrading way of treating people who have helped the very member of congress. At some point they have eaten food racked up by illegals, their houses have been built, and I wouldn't be surprise if the very State Capitol that they produce bills like HR 4437, were build by illegals. They are doing low paying jobs that have helped the US economy drastically. Tighten borders so nobody can enter, create walls, get undocumented people the path to citizenship. They are not getting this easy as has been quoted as being an "amnesty". It is not an amnesty. They have to earn their way like everybody else. Pay a 1000 dollar fine. Imagine 11 million people paying 1000 dollar fine. And thats not it, at every step they have struggles and hurdles to go through. At the end after 6 years, they have to go back and stay at the back of the line, so the folks who are already in line, donot get backed up. It will almost take more than 14 years as the creater of this thread has described to earn them the path to citizenship. This will only make US economy better. Just something to add in the heated debate.