We have discussed this in sajha multiple times. http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=29036 http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=29021 http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=28996 as for your comment about how we discuss superficial stuff, that is a part of the game. its a silly internet forum. it is not UN security council. but every so often, we also debate on serious issues. drop by more often.