shiv, [cleaning dishes and selling shoes does not demean anyone.] his character and way he acted is what demeans him. his affairs. indecency and debt obligation makes him bad, worse and sinister. so ppl. pls pls. do not bring about working as a waiter or dishwasher to tarnish anybody's character. working hard does not make anyone bad it is actually a good thing if somebody is working their a$$ off 2 survive. its those other extra acts and/or addendum that makes him/ or any other ppl bad. fyi, i know a guy who paid $38,000/yr for 4 yrs for Bachelors. But he still delivered pizza for pocket money. Does that make him bad? poor? if he cud afford $38k/yr means did he really have to work for $2k/mth.? its all about being self reliant and self support. .... he was in BOSTON in late 90s. just my 2 cents. ==================================================== as always what do i know (O: