And yes Shangri-La is both. I mean it's an imaginary stuff man. Common. Since 1994 I have been seeing Shangri-la in Aishworya Rai. Aru ke bhanau. HAHAHAHa. there was this girl anmed Shangri-la from chabel I believe. She was not Shangri-La Shangri-la, but her name was Shangri-la. The statement above was given birth by InDisguise... Your appreciation for feminist beauty/discovering shangri-la in them reminds me of a reputed indian artist named Maqbul-fida Hussein who later was to be known as Madhuri Fida Hussein. I meant M.F. Hussein:)Remember....Hum Aap ke Hain Kaun? True beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder...and shangri-la can't be an exception.The latter part was added:) The hardest part for me as you have declared my vow to challege the established belief is this.Is there an external existance in whatso ever form that can reflect itself in the form of nirvana or shangri-la? Like you I have also surrendered to one conclusion.That is shangri-la is infact our state of mind like nirvana.But then shangrila doesn't exist because nirvana is impossible before our leaving behind of our physical self.Then one can argue he/she has achieved nirvana within their lifetime i.e their presence on the planet which I find very immature.