matrix, i never thought u 2 be patrick robinson kinda reader (o: . my sincere apologies... hunter killer is a good one too. just for you : alister mclean's HMS ULYSSES. i think u may have already wrapped it up; if not try it... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep I remember when I stumbled upon an Alistair MacLean novel called H.M.S. Ulysses and it blew my mind. I'd hardly ever thought about the Atlantic convoys of WW2 before and that book brings the harshness and fear to life vividly. Add to that the most excellent Das Boot/The Boat series about the life of a german Uboat (U-96) and you've got a geek that wants to captain one of these sleek wolves of the depths.