Agree with Zalim Singh - that guy could be as Nepali as anyone else and to question his nationality is silly (and frankly racist - sorry I see it no other way) But, Zalim, the sun may not have fully set on Sun - yes there is a possibility that they will fade into oblivion no matter how good a product they have given competion from Lintel. But there is also a possibility that Sun will rise from the ashes ala Apple. Sun today dominates the high-end of the server market - wintel and lintel really give it competition in the mid and low ends. Sun has become aware of this and is competitivley pricing its mid and low range servers. Their website has some great server stuff priced like PCs! At my last company we went Lintel from Sparc/Solaris - it saved us 50,000 a year in support and maintainance contracts but made life miserable for people supporting the systems because Lintel is still not Enterprise ready from a reliability standpoint. Redhat support is horrible and if I had to do it all over again I would stick with a fire E2900 or 4900 instead of HP DLs or Dell servers. At least for ERP systems and large databases. Just my thoughts - its been a boring Memorial day weekend :)