I posted this earlier in another thread, but i think the context seems more appropriate here... when will these 'sheep herders' understand that propogandas don't work on educated people? ********************************************************************* I must say i'm very impressed by the intellectual and philosophical aptitude of the sajhaits... it gets a little immature sometimes but there are a few here that know what they're talking abt... so Let me throw in my two cents (= dui paisa), if i may... the problem with faith is just that, it is one's belief, so by definition it is subjective... and, of course, anything subjective lacks objectivity... people have been talking about the creator as the supreme being who is beyond our capcity to evaluate... but that theory in itself is a paradox... if the creator is so beyond our perception, then why do we keep trying to define him/her/it with our own imagination... when we do this, we are limited by our imperfections to describe him therefore, we discernibly give him/her/it human characteristics... Most religions define god as this 'surpreme' being: - who must be thanked and ass-kissed frequently - who will put you in a crater of fire and torture you for eternity, if you don't do as told - who will pardon you, even if you kill a hundred people, if you just beg for his forgiveness - who thinks he's the sh*t and all the other beings are second class - who will send his son to die for a few thousand isrealites, but will watch helplessly as two world wars, plagues, slavery, genocide and dozens of famines ravage the world he created what we are talking about here in not some supreme creator, but a dysfuntional, arrogant, pompous and incompetent dictator, at best!