Over the past week, there have been lot of anti King sentiments regarding his 'takeover'. There's been a big hue and cry about loss of democracy in Nepal.

We've seen democracy and what has it given us? Nothing. It's made the situation in Nepal worse day by day to the point that there was not even a glimmer of hope for Nepal or Nepalese.

The only hope for Nepal was for a powerful leader to stand up and take charge; and the King has done exactly that. Nepal cannot stand more bickering of these incompetent and corrupted politicians who are killing the soul of mother Nepal little by little.

We wanted democracy because that was in fashion. We tried it out, and we know that it does not work. Democracy is good for a country with a strong foundations and infrastructures in order to provide a good governance. But, for a country like Nepal without any foundations nor infrastructures, the hue and cry for Democracy is like trying to add floors after floors to a house with cracked foundations.

In a country where more than half the population does not even know the definition of Democracy - democracy is only a tool for the select few involved in politics - to show dissent towards the governing body - in order to fulfill their own little projects on the side. Nepal is not ready for democracy. Nepal will be ready when we have a strong foundation and infrastructure.

At this point who can create this foundation and infrastructure? Can the maoists do this with their killing spree and disrespect for life? Can the different political parties even make any difference - while being busy trying to cash in on their 15 minutes of power? The answer is NOBODY can do it besides the KING.

The king is human, he's made mistakes in the past. His son is not the ideal kind of person that we would like him to be. But, if you don't believe that this move by the KING creates some kind of HOPE for NEPAL, then you need to rethink your position and rethink what is good for NEPAL and the Nepali. This is the only hope that Nepal has in order to get out of the mess it's in right now. Instead of creating hurdles and creating more difficulty for the King, it's time for all of us to come together and lend a helping hand so that the King is able to do what he's set out to do. Let him get rid of all the corrupt politicians - we don't need them. Let him try to bring some highly awaited peace in Nepal - because he's the only person who has the ability to do so.

There are no other alternatives. I've seen people go into fanciful episodes of describing their utopias. But, they need to come down to earth and understand that their utopias are just a figment of their imaginations. This is reality. Only the King is capable of doing what needs to be done, and he needs us to be behind him not against him.

One of the most important undertaking for the King right now would be to build an EAST to WEST highway in Nepal that connects Nepal as a whole. In this emergency rule, he should be able to direct a chunk of the coffers and aids and the property of corrupted politicians into this project.

... to be continued

-And gone are the days when Great Britain would dictate policy initiatives to India (or Nepal for that matter), so the UK will simply follow America's footsteps.

Arguably the most petty reaction to the King's power-grab in Nepal has been the revocation of seats for RNA personnel to the UK's military academy, Sandhurst. All this accomplishes is two less professional military assets for the RNA and two less professional soldiers who could be relied upon to act responsibly and spread the rule of international law within the RNA.

In stark contrast to such a move and others conjured up from the same ill-considered kitbag of options, the best the international community can do at this point is to convince the King to adhere to his self-mandated time-table: 6 months' suspension of certain constitutional provisions and a maximum three year tenure as head of state.

The international community and India should realize that ultimately it is in the best interest of the King and democracy to deal a decisive blow to the Maoists and then return executive powers back to the people. Doing so would not only bring peace to Nepal and ensure stability for the region, it would also guarantee legitimacy of the royal institution and assure its continuity (albeit in a democratic setting).

The King undoubtedly must be aware that attempts at keeping power indefinitely will only prolong the inevitable - the demise of the house of Gorkha - an eventuality that is not in the King's best interest. Moving Forward… (Nepali audience) The time has come for all Nepalese to make a fundamental choice, a choice that cannot be permitted to be made on Nepal's behalf. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and each 6

Nepali must set priorities and make the best choices with the information available. The cycle of radicalization initiated by the Maoists has reached full circle; and for better or worse, the Maoists have succeeded in dividing us. The time to act is now, and there is no room left for error.

Now is the time to decide whether the struggle should be to re-instate the likes of Girja Prasad Koirala and Khum Bahadur Khadka, or to confront the Maoists on their turf on Nepal's terms. There are some who cite history to highlight the fact that a dysfunctional democracy is still preferable to any semblance of autocratic rule.

This is certainly the case when a credible alternative (i.e. responsible political leaders) exists. Unfortunately for Nepal, such is clearly not the case, thus emergency rule in time of emergency. While the prospect of strict authoritarian rule is repulsive, one must take into account what the alternative is - the Maoists.

And hoping for the miraculous emergence of an option is not an alternative. "Hope is not a method," goes the saying: We do not have the luxury of time on our hands when scores of our brethren are dying on a daily basis.

It is high time that people stop fanaticizing about the possibility of a stable, democratic polity when every fundamental element required for a democratic setting has been systematically eroded by the Maoists and our flawed politicians.

The sooner we come to terms with this reality, the more coherent decisions we can collectively make. Fighting three different battles on three different fronts is simply not a tenable proposition. If the coming struggle is to be fought in the name of Nepal and the majority of Nepal's people, it would be prudent for all to mobilize intellectual capital, economic resources, and collective will to force the Maoists to see reason.

Had the King not taken the measures that he did, the next move on the political parties' agenda was to force the re-instatement of parliament, and Heaven only knows where that would have left us.

Had Deuba declared elections (amidst disagreement with his coalitions partners), the legitimacy of the elections would forever have been contested, thus opening up yet another front in the war.

Alternatively, the King could have fired Deuba and forwarded another candidate. This would have accomplished absolutely nothing. Aside from our corrupt and ineffective politicians, who have given up their chances at redemption, the Maoists are the gravest threat to Nepal's sovereignty.

We have an opportunity now to deal with them on our terms, not theirs, and hopefully to deal with this insurgency once and for all. The choice every Nepali is faced with today, is clear - it's either the King (with the plan for a gradual reversion to democracy later), or it's the Maoists (and history has shown us where this path leads).

The genuine desire for the establishment of a multi-party system of democratic governance in Nepal is championed by all of Nepal's well-wishers. There is no ambiguity or ulterior motive where this demand is concerned. The time to forward this agenda aggressively will undoubtedly come and will be accomplished with the unanimous support of the international community. However, that time is not now.

And lobbying the international community to force the King to reverse his decision, to cut off all foreign aid to Nepal, and to alienate the new government ? is certainly not the manner in which to ensure democracy for Nepal.

Following that path guarantees only one thing - the irreversible loss of Nepal's sovereignty. If the King is willing to gamble his life and the continuity of his lineage on his actions, the least we can do is give him the benefit of the doubt. We are simply out of options at this point and cannot afford to have another generation of Nepali children grow up in the midst of an insurgency- racked, war-torn nation.

If we as Nepalis cannot unite at such a critical juncture in our history to face the Maoist challenge, to seek the welfare of our impoverished majority, and to guarantee the sovereign integrity of our nation, there is no honor, no pride in calling ourselves Nepalis. If we are unable to put aside our personal preferences now and align for the common good, we as individuals are no better than the politicians we abhor.

-source:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0502/S00090.htm

-nevermind ;0) wink wink

this is the best positive thinking i have ever seen in sajha.

70% of nepalese don't know that they have to wash their hands after they go to bathroom. we can listen these advetisements in radio nepal. how can they know what the hell is democracy.democracy has been an institution which gives jobs to corrupt politicians. otherwise they are unemployed.

Most educated nepalese still don't understand these things.
at present time, a nepali needs a job, a hope, a future and a life. once a nepalese gets these he or she will feel like he/she has gotten democracy no matter who is ruling the country.

pi_ric your last posting was good enough.
Try to express your ideas here. Not copy and paste.

-do u mind @pyaj
thing is boraden ur mind(knowledge)

;0)

-broad........

I can relate to the moral dilema that some people are having with the current situation. But what are our choices? CPN, UML, RPP and just about every other so-called parties have had the chance to take power and change the country. And all they did was bicker amongst themselves and dug a deeper economic and polictical hole in Nepal. What we have remaining are the maoist?

Com'on now Confused (and others), would you rather see Nepal under a maoist rule? To me they are far worse than the king ever could be. Communism (fascism) is a proven failed system. And if you are a advocate of democracy, there is no way you can ever accept the maoist rule. You know how many people mao killed (innocent, poor farmers)? He killed more people than hitler. How can I support anyone whose ideals matched those of a fascist dictator. At least, the king (maybe not this king) has some benovelance tied to his authority.

And he has risked his crown for something! Think about it, he could've just enjoyed his royalties and private investments and just watch the country slide into oblivion. But he took a step. I'm not completely convinced of his intentions, but what other choice do we really have.

So confused bro, if you are in 'dharma-sankat' then think about how bad it really could be. How many more widowed wives, orphaned children, childless mother's blood and teers is worth that 'democracy' we had?

Ayo_Gorkhali, i do share some of your views, but when it comes to solving the main issuee of maobaid, i do not know how king is planning on it...let us watch, and see, how King plans to stop this radical movement of maobadi's. HOpe killing them all isnt one of his option..otherwise, i do not see an end to this problem anytime soon...

Confused:
It's funny how everyone's trying to convince you to broaden your horizons. But as we all know you're true to your name - utterly confused. Your arguments sound like a teenager trying to do some window shopping - attracted more by colorful candies and inflated utopian dreams than the ability to fathom the world from a down to earth point of view.

Sorry to stoop to your level but you're better off trying to woo and go after virtual female posters, which is even just a sad display of your inexperienced immature mindset (how old are you? 18?), than to butt in on something that's way over your head.

I would just comment that we needed a leader and prime minister who had the vision like gyanendra but we are not lucky as we had him as king.

saroj, one thing i bear with me that you do not even care to show is Respect towards different opinions. i am not a STUBORN, i have a open mind, and i try to explore all the ideas, i do not follow anything blindly, having said that, i do know what i am talking abt, and democracy is not a UTOPIAN dream, its a livly and vividly existing system of goverment.

now, lets not even argue about age factor, i maybe 38 or maybe 18, i dont think that sud concern you. The thing that sud concern you are my vaild points, and you sud be able to answer my points, not argue abt my age. As usual you are stuck with your personal bashing, but dont have any valid points. I suggest you to get mature, and do not think maturity comes with age, it comes only when you try to develop your intellect and see the things with broader perspective, like you mentioned, beyond the horizons.

Here, as you are a supporter of king, I ask you to justify these points to me in a reasonable way, how is Gyanendra helping the country's situation? How will Gyanendra Bring end to Maoist Issue? How is a previous smuggler and can be called a 'Daku", good for the highest position in the country? How is a Authotorian rule good for the country? What has assured you there will be Peace? what Has assured you there will be no corruption? what has assured you cencorship is for 6 months, and this overtaking is for 3 years? ( Musharaff said the same thing) Why is Gyanendra a good leader? and main of all, How do you see development progressing?

now, for me wooing, virtual females, i consider that my gift, Dont be jealous, man..:)

and a note, if you cannot answer my question, then yes, i think you sud take it as a great insult on your and your beliefs.

Pr_ric

Are you related to Nepe? She likes to throw lot of BS too...

Confused
Age is of importance in politics. Have you seen an 18 yr old politician? Political ideas comes with experience and maturity not with a trigger happy attitude that teenagers seem to possess. Anyways I agree that we should not get into personal bashing. You're the one who started it in this thread, but let's agree to not get into personal bashing and focus on the matter at hand.

You have asked quite a few questions and I agree all of them are valid questions. They are the right questions on the wrong thread.

I don't think you understand my point. My point is that - There are no other better alternatives than the one right now with King in power.

Unless you have any other better alternatives to point to besides your fantasy utopian political democratic government, I suggest you stop going on and on like a broken record.


In any case, let me try to answer your questions maybe they will provide you with some new perspectives and insights.

1. How is Gyanendra helping the country's situation?
Before Gyanendra took power, the country was divided. Different political parties were pulling away the main focus from the country's development and the existing Maoist problem. The political parties were busy filling thier own selfish needs than to try to do anything for the country. NOW, instead of the governing body being a bunch of corrupted politicians who don't give a damn about the country as we have seen over the past decade, King G has centralized power to deal with the Maoist problem and country's development in a more focused way. This will definitely carve the path to betterment. (Don't ask how it's helping NOW like right NOW. It's gonna take a little time for you to see the difference but you will start to see the difference in a few months time.)



2. How will Gyanendra Bring end to Maoist Issue?
As I've said, the government will now be able to focus more on the problems at hand, rather than being the PROBLEM AT HAND. Therefore King G will be able to deal with the Maoist issue better than any other options available. Your question is pretty naive at best. Nobody can bring an end to the Maoist issues. There will always be scattered maoist issues. But who's more able to deal with it? That's the question you should be asking yourself. In fact why don't you tell me who you think is equipped to END this maoist issue? - if you don't believe the King can do a better job than anyone else.



3. How is a previous smuggler and can be called a 'Daku", good for the highest position in the country?
This is totally hearsay. In any case, even if this is true, it is not relevent at this time. Let's say a there was this doctor who was let's say a convicted smugler and a daku. But he's still a doctor. If you get shot, he can still perform an operation and save your life. King G is a good leader. No matter what you have heard, the fact is that King G is a good leader and he is in a position whereby he can do something positive for the country. To make positive changes he has to be in the highest position in the country. Don't tell me that you will stop an ex-convict doctor from operating your family who are in serious medical condition. Especially when there is nobody else.



Ok I dont' have time to answer all of your questions right now. But I hope you get my point that OUT OF ALL AVAILABLE OPTIONS, THIS IS THE BEST OPTION FOR THE COUNTRY.

Few mistakes will be made. Few rights will be withheld, but that's necessary for the long term good of the country. If you are living in the US, look at their patriot act. Extreme measures need to be taken during extreme times. And believe me Nepal is going through extreme times and if someone as powerful as the King hadn't stepped in like he did, the country would have crumbled to its core.

I don't blame all the past politicians for the state of Nepal, but most of them were corrupt. Democratic multi party system was just a tool for their get-rich-quick schemes. If you haven't seen what 'democracy' has done to our country, you need to get a mental check up.

saroj dude,

ma yahaa dherai karaayera thaakisaken. boldina pani bhaneko. tara ke garne. nepali na paren.
huna ta dherai lekhna man thiyo tara euta kura. eutai matra.

shakti kendrikaran (centralization of power) dwara raatriya bikaas (national development) asambhav praaya chha, khaas gari haamro jasto desh maa.

Confused,
Sometime back, somewhere in some other thread I read that u were reading POLITICAL SCIENCE books. Please can u recommend some for me?

Saroj,

Just read your message. I totally agree with what you have to say.

Confused bro,

You seem a bit confused here. You are not understanding what Saroj is trying to say. Set aside your democractic principles and ideals for 15 mins., read Saroj's posting again and all will make sense to you.

As for your questions:

1. If king reallly positive about solving this issue, if king is really positive on bringing peace, why is there a cencorship on media? why was there such arrests of journalists and firing at students?

Sometimes the state has to take extreme measures. Even in btrue democracies, censorship is imposed at the time of national crises, for example, war or other activities that udnermine the national unity and the terretorial integrity of the nation.

2. First learn, what is deomcray and its capability then only continue..otherwise DOnt continue and dont waste your valuable time posting crap!

OK what is democracy? How do you define democracy? First provide the readers with your version/definition of democarcy, then in a democratic manner (whatever it means), compare/contrast it with Saroj's definition.

3. when will Nepal be Ready for Democracy? Give me a lenght of time. ?? '

20-30 years from now. Not today, not tomorrow, not even in the next decade. It will take at least 20--30 years, or maybe 50 if the things are as they are.

Isolated Freak!!
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liked ur comment here too... just to add an extra point.. i would like to remind you an incident of some times ago... when indira gandhi declared the state of emmergency... it was the time india invented so much money to help separate bangladesh from pakistan... and indira gandhi was so much criticized about that issue in india.. coz india got not benefit for their investment of helping bangladesh....
she declared the state of emergency too... and no news paper for 4 days (or even more i am not sure now.. you need to find it thru search machine) and all opposition leader were in house arrest for several days..
now not to forget india was the largest democratic country popoluationwise.....


"What had once seemed a remote possibility took place on June 25, 1975: the president declared an Emergency and the government suspended civil rights. Because the nation's president, Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed (1974-77), and Gandhi's own party members in Parliament were amenable to her personal influence, Gandhi had little trouble in pushing through amendments to the constitution that exonerated her from any culpability, declaring President's Rule in Gujarat and Tamil Nadu where anti-Indira parties ruled, and jailing thousands of her opponents. In her need to trust and confide in someone during this extremely trying period, she turned to her younger son, Sanjay, who became an enthusiastic advocate of the Emergency. Under his watchful eyes, forced sterilization as a means of birth control was imposed on the poor, increased numbers of urban squatters and slum dwellers in Delhi were evicted in the name of beautification projects, and disgruntled workers were either disciplined or their wages frozen. The Reign of Terror, as some called it, continued until January 18, 1977, when Gandhi suddenly relaxed the Emergency, announced the next general election in March, and released her opponents from prison." cited from http://www.indianchild.com/indira_gandhi.htm

since we dont have president.. so i think king has right to impose emergency and work for country.. and i dont see if there is any other reason but make political instability in nepal by india.. Indian should not forget their state of emergency tooo.

Finally, some reasonable post by you. I am glad that you defined your view, here is my reply:

"Political ideas comes with experience and maturity not with a trigger happy attitude that teenagers seem to possess. "

You points are flawed as you are. Experience brings opinions, it can either destroy or make a person, and that is why Politics is a Gamble, which it should not be. ANd if a 16 year old can be one of the greatest mathematician in history, if and only if 18 year old is given a chance to rule, he will in no doubt, might change the face of politics. And ofcourse, i hope you will agree with me, majority of the teenagers think POLITICS IS FULL OF CRAP!!, that is another reason we do not see many young ppl in politics. And talking abt young ppl, How old was PUtin when he took office?? on his 20's?? isnt that young, or did you just not know.

1. How is Gyanendra helping the country's situation?

Yes, suraj, I do agree with you. You cannot see how he is been helping the country right now, so lets wait and see after 3 yrs. Let us see, if Nepal will become any civilized. And my part, I have already seen cencorship of media as a downward signal to the country.


2. How will Gyanendra Bring end to Maoist Issue?

I do not know any option, because i am not an expert on these issue, but i do know Maobadi's Fundamental Principle is NOT TO HAVE KING IN A COUNTRY. So, i am certainly sure, Gyanendra hasnt helped country and made it any better.

3. How is a previous smuggler and can be called a 'Daku", good for the highest position in the country?

Your example of a doctor is pathetic as your support for the King. A good leader for a country, NOT FOR A MOB GROUP, sud be free of extreme guilts. What is exterme you ask? Extreme is breaking the law in maxium and hurting the country. Havent you heard the Murti kanda, and Gaida Kanda, and all those other stuffs?? and dont know you Paras?? sorry, i have mentioned earlier, and i tell you again, my morals doesnt allow me to be ruled by a wrong dk head, who has himself committed major crimes.


"Nepal is going through extreme times and if someone as powerful as the King hadn't stepped in like he did, the country would have crumbled to its core. "

King stepped in such a negative way, what part dont you understand, if he had serious motive for developing the country, i do not see why does he have to have cencorship on media..?? hasnt media help label maoists as the worst already??..sudnt media help king, if his intentions were right??

I_F bro, i know i sud not even be arguing with you, because you are a learned man in this topic, but i just dont "like" what you have written..

"Sometimes the state has to take extreme measures. Even in btrue democracies, censorship is imposed at the time of national crises, for example, war or other activities that udnermine the national unity and the terretorial integrity of the nation. "

It was Hitler on Germany, who took power claiming to get the country out of depression, and infact he did, but because only ppl cud not see thru his real motives, so many lives were lost. How can you trust Gyanendra with such power? I am very suprised, you wud argee on such matter.

OK what is democracy?

Democracy is a political system, which allows even a poorest guy from a lowest cast, with his hard work and determination, run for the country's highest seat. This is democracy in working.

Bionepal, agree with your point, but there is huge difference. INdira Gandhi, was a leader chosen by the ppl, she was not a KING. Second, media was not oppressed like it has been in King's time. And thrid, her move cud be justified as morally right by imposing needed laws, which helped more ppl than it hurt.

"Sometime back, somewhere in some other thread I read that u were reading POLITICAL SCIENCE books. Please can u recommend some for me?"

Pade, just read Nepal's history, Rana Sasan, and Panchyat Kal wud be enough. These Kings and Ranas, have destroyed the country enough, creating fear, uncertainty and making nepali janta hopeless, like today, who say they have no option but to choose Autocratic Rule.

Looks like people are beginning to repeat themselves a little too much. Let's agree to disagree here and end it right here cos we both know it's not going anywhere.