Second thing you said that there is no enlightenment: I don't know what you mean by enlightenment. For me enlightenment is eradication of mental negativities. I took this definition from Buddha. He said "Bisankhara Gattang Chittang = mind is free from defilements". In another words, one who has uprooted Raga, Dwesa, and Moha. If you can uproot Raga, Dwesa, and Moha, your mind get cleaned, you are the enlightened one. This is what Buddha taught entire 45 years of his life after the enlightenment. This is what his Bhikkhus taught for more than 2500 years, and they have been teaching. I don't want to elaborate here what enlightenment is, what the path is to get enlightened etc. If you are really interested in the path, the path is straight forward, scientific, pragmatic. If you walk in the path correctly, the result comes then and there. Here is the description of the path: Swakhyto Bhagata Dhammo, Sandristhiko, Akkaliko, Ahipassiko, Aupaneyiko, Pacchatang Veditabbo Vinnuhi. [Path given by Bhagawan (Buddha) is well explained, self observable, gives fruit then and there, inevitable to others to practice, capable to lead to full enlightenment, and directly experiential by wise ones] Really Dash Ji, thus is Dhamma, thus is the path leading to enlightenment. I have experienced myself to some extent. I have been walking in the path since more or less than a decade. I have spent months in solitude, practicing the path given by enlightened one, the Bhagawan. It's a pure science, there is no magic, there is no hypnotism. It's a path that leads to the eradication of mental impurities. Mental impurities are cause of misery; Buddha has given a wonderful technique to eradicate them and live a peaceful life, a happy life. Dash Ji you sound a scientific individual, who believe on truth only. I am also like you. I am telling you this not to impress you and not to boost my ego, I am telling you to give stress to my point that there is enlightenment. Enlightenment is not a hypothetical concept developed by war-tired people, but it a real state of mind which can be achieved by human being. Of course it can not be attained just by having faith on it, just by reading about it, just by talking about it, not by discussing about it. A tremendous amount of effort is required to walk in the path; I don't know how much effort is required to get the goal. It is a process, you keep walking in the path, keep eradicating your mental defilements, keep testing yourself whether your mental negativities are decreasing or not, if they are decreasing you are in the right path and one day complete cessation of defilements will come, that is enlightenment, that is called Nirvana. Full enlightenment may be far away from me, but I am convinced that it exists. I am convinced not by reading the scriptures but through my own experiences. I am like a driver whose destination is in unknown place, thousands miles away, but has a road map. As the driver starts his journey by the aid of the map and keep finding the roads, streets, avenues and highways that are mentioned in the map. Then he get convinced e that the map will lead him to the destination, though it is unknown to him. Similarly, enlightenment is unknown destination to me but I have the road map and confidence on the map. Needless to believe me, you come and test the path yourself. Strive for enlightenment as you will be taught, if you won't find the path that lead to enlightenment, at that point come to me and put your point. Of course by mastering all the books about Dharma, you will neither find what enlightenment is nor will you find the path that lead to enlightenment. As the Manusmiriti (in one of our thread) sound confusing to you, where in one place women were being condemned (abused) and in another place they were honored. If you have practiced the path, you would notice both the statements were valid, just a frame of references were different. I don?t have time to talk more about it, may be some time later, I have left all of my thread incomplete. What I want to say is, if you just read the book, but don't practice, you will get confused even though you are smart. You can't understand physics until you do experiments but you can pass the exam just by reading the physics books, without doing any experiment. I am thankful to all of my friends who appreciated my postings, here and on the other threads, I am honored. I know the honor is not for me, its for the material that I post. Hope my effort will get materialized and you will understand the real Dharma, the scientific technique of mental purification, and try to find the way. I am getting busier and busier these days, I can't pormise anymore to post though I want to write something to confused Ji about Victory and Defeat & meaning of life,to Pisces Ji about philosophy of Geeta, and to MM Ji about Vishowntar, which is not equivalent to Vishnu Avatar :). MM Ji life is long, one day I will tell you about Shiva, but I want you to have open mind and big heart, prepare yourself for that :). Nice to be among you guys, bye.