Posted by: vishontar December 25, 2004
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-(Dash) Ji, I don't think that I will buy your defination of Bhagawati and Bhagawan. But I appreciate the way of your analysis, which is the right direction. As you said, Bhagawati = vagina barer = woman. If so, every woman should have been addressed as Bhagawati instead of Nari. Bhagawati and Nari don't sound similar words. All Bhagawatis are women but all women are not Bhagawati. Similar is true for Bhagawan, all Bhagawans are men but all men are not Bhagawan. Here is real definition of Bhagawan. Bhagga Rago, Bhagga Dweso, Bhagga Moho ti Bhagawa. Meaning: One who uprooted all the abortions (dweso), all the cravings (rago) and all the delusions (moho) is called Bhagawan. Raga (craving), Dwesa (abortion), and Moha (delusion, ignorence), these three are considered the origin of all the impurities of mind. If you analyze, you will be convinced. For example, anger, jealousy, hatred, ill will, animosity, etc have same root abortion, Dwesa. Greed, lust, passion, selfishness, stinginess etc comes form craving, the Raga. Ego, stubbornness, superiority complex, inferiority complex etc comes from ignorance, the Moha (people give themselves a lot of importance out of ignorance). These three are roots of impurities. Bhagga (Bhagga is Plai, Sanskrit is Bhagna) means to uproot, to eradicate, to cease, to bring them to the end. If someone uproots these three roots he is known as the uprooted one, the exalted one, the Bhagawan. This is the gift of Yogis and the Buddhas. Hindus considered Geeta as their greatest philosophy, and the entire Geeta asked you to come out of Raga and Dwesa (but doesn't teach you how to come out of them). In one place Gita says, "Raga Dwesa Biwiktastu ?Be free from craving and abortion". In another place it says "Tyaktwa ragancha dwesanchha = abandon craving and abortion". And you will find these three words, Raga, Dwesa and Moha, throughout the Geeta and other scriptures. A man who has completely eradicated Raga, Dwesa and Moha is called Bhagawan. That's why Bhagawan word is not used for all men. All the Puranas were written after the Buddha. They were just stories written on some special purpose, those stories have nothing to do with reality. You can find many Bhagawans in Puran, like Rama Bhagawan, Krishna Bhagawan, Brahma Bhagawan, Shiva Bhagawan, Bishnu Bhagawan etc. Let me not talk about this, if you want to believe keep believing don?t argue with me. If I talk about this topics I will be considered one of the greatest revolutionary ever, that I am :). I really don't like fiction, I enjoy the truth. That's why I have been saying that I don?t want to touch Pauranic Hinduism right now. It's not right time to talk about it, because I don't have time to write in detail to convince you, I am worried that I will just confuse you, that I don?t want :). For now let me put these Bhagawans aside, because nobody have any proof of their existence. Let's go to the real history. The first and only historic person addressed by Bhagawan is Gautama, the Buddha. He was the first person known in human history who declared that he uprooted craving, abortion and ignorance. So he was known as Bhagawan. Itipiso Bhagawa, Arahang, Sammasambuddho, Vijjyacharana Sampanno, Sugato, Lokavidu, Anuttaro, Purisadammasarathi. [Such is exalted, uprooted one, who has destroyed all his enemies, who is enlightened by himself, whose every step is correct, who knows everything, who is incomparable, and best teacher of man and deities.] {Buddha is such: Bhagawa = exalted one, uprooted one (what uprooted? Raga, Dwesa, and Moha source of defilements) Arahang = One who has killed all his enemies (mental defilements are real enemies). Sammasambuddho = one who got enlightened with his own effort, without learning from anybody. Vijjya Charana Sampanno = one who is expert in knowledge and practice. Sugato = one whose every single action is positive. Lokavidu = one who knows every single truth of the universe. Anuttaro = one who is incomparable Purisadammasarathi = One who is excellent charioteer to tame and human and Devatas.} Bhagawan word is not cheap, it is very expensive words. Please interested ones, read all above Pali words, they are as clear as crystal, they define what Bhagawan is. What should the properties of Bhagawan are. What the qualities a Bhagawan should have. Even though hundreds of disciples of Buddha were completely free from Raga, Dwesa and Moha, they never had been addressed as Bhagawan. Bhagawan word stuck only to Buddha, this might have two reasons. Either Bhagawan means the one who uprooted Raga, Dwesa, and Moha by his self developed technique, or those exalted Bhikkus didn't want to be addressed by the word which is used to address Buddha, their revered teacher. Since Bhagawan word is not used for all enlighten man, there is no place for Bhagawati word to be used for enlighten woman. If you believe on those Pauranic tales, then you will find many Bhagawans and Bhagawatis :).
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