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 यो आँधिलाइ कस्ले रोक्ने ?

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Posted on 08-06-09 5:08 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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लौ सुन्नुहोस ताजा खबर - तात्तातो खबर आजैको खबर

माओबादीले स्वायत्त प्रदेश गठन गर्ने रे, स्थानिय सरकार गठन गर्ने रे 

माइक्रोबसमा एउटा पत्रिका बेच्ने फुच्चेको चिच्याहट झ्यालतिरबाट सुनियो । यो चिच्याहट नै काफि छ देश कता लम्किरहेको छ भन्ने बुझाउनलाइ । खस भाषाका अगुवाहरुले राज्यको श्रोतसाधनमाथि एकलौटी कब्जा जमाइ दुरुपयोग गरी अन्य भाषामाथि गरेको दमन थिचोमिचोको नतीजा आउन थालेको आभाष भएको छ । 

गैरखसभाषा बोल्ने जनजातिहरुमा रहेको तीब्र असन्तोषलाइ नजरअन्दाज गरेर भित्तैमा पुर्याउन खसबादी पञ्चायति सरकार हात धोएर लाग्यो, त्यसै नीतिलाइ मलजल गर्न र खसभाषालाइ अभिजात्य भाषा अन्य भाषाभाषिलाइ दोस्रो दर्जाको हैसियतमै राख्न बहुदलीय भनाउदो ब्यबस्थाले कुनै कसर बाँकि राखेन । 

त्यहि असन्तोषलाइ माओबादीले टिप्यो, शुरुवाती दिनमा जनसमर्थन बटुल्न हम्मे हम्मे परेको आतंककारी जनयुद्धबादी माओबादी पार्टी त्यसपछि दिन दुइगुणा रात चौगुणा फुल्दै गए । बिशेषत: खस समुदायमाझ केहि राजनीतिक र केहि प्रतिशोधको भावनालाइ उचाल्दै तथा  गैर खस समुदायमाझ भाषिक स्वतन्त्रता र समान हकको भावनालाइ टिप्दै, त्यो भन्दा अझ एककदम अगाडि बढेर स्वायत्तता र आत्मनिर्णयको अधिकार दिने सम्मका बाचा गर्दै समर्थक पंक्ति बढाउन माओबादिहरु पछि सरेनन ।

माओबादिले ती नारा दिदाबखत पाएको आकर्षण सरकारमा गएपछि टिकाउन सकेन । तर सरकारबाट ओरालो लागेपछि फेरी सस्तो लोकप्रियताको लागि हो वा साँच्चै नै ती मागहरुप्रति संवेदनशील भएर हो फेरि स्वायत्तता र आत्मनिर्णयको कुरा चर्को चर्को बोल्दैछ । 

माओबादिले हालै घोषणा गरेको आन्दोलन र सरकारलाइ समेत ओभरटेक गरेर गठन गर्न खोजेको स्वायत्त प्रदेश र स्थानिय सरकार बिशुद्ध जातीय प्रारुपको छ । माओबादीको माग बेठिक छ म भन्दिन तर माओबादिले आवश्यक गृहकार्य भने गरेको छैन भन्ने मेरो बुझाइ छ ।

उक्त आन्दोलन र गतिविधिको माध्यमबाट संघिय नेपाल तर्फ संक्रमण गराउने एउटा आँधि आउने निश्चित छ, साथै यो आन्दोलन (यदि सफल बनाएमा) अहिलेसम्म माओबादीलाइ मुल्याङकन गर्दै रहेका जनजातिको ठूलो पंक्तिलाइ माओबादी समर्थक बनाउने पनि निश्चित छ । यस्तो आँधिले धेरै पुरानो मान्यताहरु भत्काउने छ, तर नयाँ मान्यता सहि ढंगले बनाउने छ वा छैन भन्न सकिन्न । आँधिको जन्मजात गुण नै बिध्वंश गर्ने, निर्माण नगर्ने प्रकृतिको हुन्छ ।

अन्य भाषाको अधिकारबारे कुरा उठाउने बित्तिकै कुर्लिन तम्सने एक जमात बाहुन खस मित्रहरु साझामा पनि बग्रेल्ति छन, उहाँहरुको लागि यो आँधि बहस, बिचारबिमर्शको विषय बन्नु पर्ने होइन र ? के छ त मित्रहरु बिचार ? कसले कसरी यो आँधिलाइ रोक्ने ?


 
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Posted on 08-18-09 2:10 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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kahribot - u said, everyone knows how magars are in general? could u elaborate on this? i have never heard anything bad but solid reputation of magars. check history.


magar dai = i have been doing some serious study on Nepal's history lately and more i read more my head bows to magar clan. especially the bravery they showed during Anglo-Gorkha war where 500-600 magars including women and children sacrificed their lives to honor our freedom. not to forget how King Prithivi unfied Nepal. without them, it is possible there would have no Nepal today.


 


 


 


 
Posted on 08-18-09 4:52 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Why we discussing for the cast system yar, let it go.. it's outdated now. Lets think we are all Nepali, we have two cast; male female and one religion - Humanity.

 
Posted on 08-18-09 5:34 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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i have a dream that one day all Nepalese are judged by the content of their character not by their cast.
KM

 
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Kharibot,


There is very little that can be done for an unrepentant racist like you. But you are more than that; you are a racist with an appalling grasp of the “Inglis” language. A charitable case like you really needs to grow up and be more grateful for the help that is on hand. Now practice some more you wretch and stop putting your parents to shame.


 
Posted on 08-18-09 9:54 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Now i could see your "inglis" ledo, my goodness that you unvieled your real countenance. who knows tomorrow but your scandalous thought indicates your lunacy reflecting today might ruin your tomorrow. No matter, how you demo yourself  but your version on racism shows that you are a social terror. Our beloved country is in between the devil and the deep blue sea so I personally request you not to ruin our social integrity. wherever you go history would not excuse like you people. ask yourself and try to find out who is actually responsible for this adverse fortune of our community, caste system or socio-economic injustice. we have not yet won, however, we must keep trying so save our motherland. I am pretty sure we are going to win this battle against several "Benedict Arnold" and you are one of them.
"sabailai chetana bhaya"

 
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now w i could see your "inglis" ledo, my goodness that you unvieled your real countenance. who knows tomorrow but your scandalous thought indicates your lunacy reflecting today might ruin your tomorrow. No matter, how you demo yourself  but your version on racism shows that you are a social terror. Our beloved country is in between the devil and the deep blue sea so I personally request you not to ruin our social integrity. wherever you go history would not excuse like you people. ask yourself and try to find out who is actually responsible for this adverse fortune of our community, caste system or socio-economic injustice. we have not yet won, however, we must keep trying so save our motherland. I am pretty sure we are going to win this battle against several "Benedict Arnold" and you are one of them.
"sabailai chetana bhaya"


 
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I think brahminism in Nepal is like Al-qaedaism and talibanism in muslim religion, Brahminism is like zionism in christian and this extremely dangerous Brahminism in nepal is obliterating our harmony and well-being. This brahminism is inciting social unrest and one of the main reason why we nepali are living a life of a beggar in this 21st century.


Nepal's history is similar to south africa's history and I believe the day will come that the justice will prevail in our motheland and brahminism will disappear with no traces like apartheid did in south africa.


I strong believe that people like kharibot who incites racism should have only one place to live thats prison. kharibot your so called brahminism ( I call it 3dharkeism) is gradually losing its ground as more and more magars are sneaking to power of modern nepal.


"Down to 3dharkeism and long live hamonious Nepal".


 


 
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hahahaha another terrorist appeared...chickens come  home to roost!!!!
 
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Kharibot, your stupidity seems to have no boundry. I knew it would be foolish to deal with a fool like you. you deserve a kick that flattens your harlequin-nose. And once again I proudly say " down with your brahminism and long live harmonious, properous nepal with vibrant political pluralism".
 
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Tell me a smart got stupid  or a stupid got smart here. First there is a point in making that maoist is pulling out a race card which definitely creates a obstacle in giving a logical conclusion to the ongoing peace process. 
One can easily see different groups of plebeians populate the 1,47,181 sq.km frontier of Nepal. I  wonder to see groups like Madhesis. They are so fool in making, they consider only about their race and to add a humor in the show business their baby-kissers insists to take an oath in hindi. Next there is group called Kirats to my best knowledge who are so estranged that unity is not possible to lead and convince whole group of people among themselves. What else, 
In this meantime maoist, spearheaded by groups of  asshole bahuns who got unity among themselves gets contingency with a possible choice to throw race card. If someone asks me to put a hallmark of terrorist tag in living race in Nepal. I would definitely cast the die on Bahuns.
A day will come when bahuns will be treated by every single non bahun Nepali like the way, the world treats Muslims. 

 
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it is wrong to play racial card for sum vested interests of few but also it is not to b ignored without finding n implementing proper solutions as to address these socio-political imbalance and injustice. the history of modern nepal is not old n it is very much clear to everyone on its territorial n social formations. the issues r not that sum elites studied high n far which deserved them most of the positions but about thier competencies, morality and responsibilities in given positions. n merit based is just bulshit, they all engage is high nepotism which r inluenced by either their relationship or through corruptions. the major reason is the national policy, it highly attributes the cultural and religious backgrounds of the elites or so called ruling class only. a tharu dude or magar from rolpa can never feel the national pride under such system cause they r more like aliens in thier native land since their social living values n beleifs r totally different from the one articulated by the vague codes of nationalism. myself being the confiderates of kiratis never felt it represents me n my communities sentiments, the whole policy n systems r in fault that does not represent all of nepal's population. the theory is very simple in how rebellion grows. good thing they realized the need of secularism but still more corrective measures needs to b done. unless n untill these r corrected n one opts to remain status quoists i guarantee nepal will always hav to face troubles, given the fact that we all r nepalese but we r diverese n hav differences among us that needs to b acknowledged with respects n dignity  not force n suppression.


 
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these bahun politicians are disgrace not only to our country but to bahun cast also. u can hate them all u want, but it is ignorant and racist to bash the whole bahun race because of these corrupt politicians.


 
Posted on 08-23-09 6:33 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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कसैले  आफ्नो कम्जोरी देखैदेयो भने कम्जोरी देखौने मान्छे लाई मन्परी गाली गर्न पर्ने? आफ्नो कम्जोरी देखैदेने लाई धन्यवाद दिन मिल्दैन र? कि अङ्रेजी कम्जोर छ भनेर लाज लाग्या हो? मेरो त कुनै भाषा पनि perfect छैन, अब के गर्ने? आफ्नो कम्जोरी स्विकार्न पनि सक्नु पर्छ, अङ्रेजी कम्जोर  हुनु कुनै अपराध त होइन नि, किन डराको?
कुनै बाहुन  नेता बदमाश भयो भन्दै मा सबै बाहुन लाई गाली गर्ने हरु लाई एउटा उदाहरण दिने मन लाग्यो। डिमोक्रेसी आउनु भन्दा पहिला नेपालमा राजा र प्रधानमन्त्री हरु छेत्री थिए (हिन्दू कास्ट निएम अनुसार शाह र राणा हरु पनि छेत्री हो क्यारे) अब २४० भन्दा बढी बर्ष सम्मा तिनिहरुले शासन गरे र् नेपाल मा प्रजातन्त्र आउन दिएनन, बिकास गरेनन आफैले ले मात्र मोज गरे  भन्दैमा अहिले को नेपाल को सबै छेत्री हरुलाई हामीले दोश दिने?? नेपालको डार्क ऐज को लागि हिजो  आज का छेत्री हरु लाई गाली गर्ने हो कि? त्यसरी अरु  लाई दोश  दिने भने हाम्रो बनी नै पो दोशी हो कि? कती राम्रो बाद्बिबाद  भैराखेको थ्यो गालीगलोज सुरु गरेर। गाली गर्नु भन्दा अलिकती रचनात्माक बाद्बिबाद गरुम न साथी हो। हामीले यो जतिबादी सोचाइ छोड्न धिल भैसक्यो।

 
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timi mero sathi,


i think u are mistaken about kings being chettri. well, history says kings are decendents of magars not chettris. correct me if i am wrong.


 


 
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i personally condemn the system not race in particular or individuals. no one is jealous here on who studied higher n who went to play marbles, it is about the state policy favourable to sum and not to others. n the fact is it is highly influenced by ethnic cultural n religious background, as sum scholar puts it as 'khas chauvinist' in nepal. n FYI now chettris hav put up an application n r demanding to b included as janjatis which is being reviewd n is under investigation by high level taskforce led by dr om grg wether they qualify or not. this proves the power n importance of ethnicity n how state should treat them with uniformity. we r in high tranformational phase  which might not b very acceptable to few. i say fasten ur seatbelt for more radical changes. also, if there were no such awareness n end of monarchy i guarantee that current COAS chattraman grg would had been already made to resign n instead b replaced by sum one with elite royal family background or strong allegiance to royals.
 
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What I read in a book called " The Mongols" Shah dynesty is come from Iran ( then persia) when it came under attack during the rise of the mongols led by genghis khan. The persian ruler shah then fled to India and set up Mogul empire there and remnants of their relatives entred Nepal.


Politically experienced shah then conquered the western part of nepal which was then ruled by Magars.They gradually integrated themselves into humble magars and finally stuck a knife into their heart politically. According to nepalese history we all know that Drabya shah won the race and became the king of gorkha but I personally believe that the fact is not told. If you read the book called " The hidden facts in nepalese politics" you can find some facts what happened then.


It is widely believed that the Nara bhupal shah ( father of prithivi narayan shah) had  magarni mistress and prithivi narayan shah was born to her.


summery: Shah and Rana ( chetri) are modern iranian family names and I personally dont believe that they are decendents of  magars.


 


 
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In the sixteenth century Yashobramha Shah gained the ruling title over the principality of Kaski.


The rulers of neighboring Kingdom of Gorkha were Magar people. They had a tradition of choosing a ruler every fall by way of a running match open to everyone. Whoever won the race was to become the ruler for a year.


However, when Dravya Shah tricked his way to the win and eventually gotten away with the tradition of choosing a ruler every fall. He ruled with an iron fist and executed anyone who suggested the reinstatement of the very tradition of choosing a ruler by which he himself became a ruler[citation needed].


Dravya Shah himself was not a physically robust man. He, however, had the backing of the Bhattarai, Aryal, Adhikari and Acharya clans of Bahun to propel him to the throne by defeating Magar aspirants to the throne by trickery and cheating instead of pure physical perfection as was the norm. Once he became the king, however, he discontinued the race that was essential among the Magar to anoint the ruler for the next year. By the time of his death in 1570, Dravya Shah had managed to erase the memory of the tradition of choosing the ruler by way of running a match open to everyone. He was a shrewd politician, and with the backing of the above mentioned clan of Bahun, he additionally sought the help of the Pant clan of Bahun. He was a totalitarian king who ruled with an iron fist to silence any dissent. He used the power and might of the magar army to increase the size of the kingdom to include some of the neighbouring states. His successors continued to increase the kingdom's territory.


 
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Ethnicity based federalism र cast based federalism दुबैलाइ खसनेपालीमा जातीय संघियता भनेर भनिन्छ । यसलाइ कुन शब्दले फरक अर्थ लाग्ने गरि जनाउनु पर्ला ? माओबादिले धकेल्दै गरेको मोडेल Ethnicity based federalism हुनुपर्छ भन्ने मेरो अनुमान हो, जुन देशको लागि राम्रो हुनेछ । तर माओबादिले यो नारालाइ जनजातिहरुलाइ मच्चाउदै मच्चाउदै थच्चाउने नियतले उचालेको हो भने अहिल्यै देखि "खबरदार" । माओबादिका बाहुन नेताहरुले त्यसको महँगो मुल्य चुकाउनै पर्नेछ । यस्तै मच्चाउने र थच्चाउने खेलले गर्दा बाहुनबादि एमाले गन्हाएर पतन भएको उदाहरण ताजै छ । एमालेका बाहुन नेताहरुको बचेखुचेको दिन पनि सक्किदै छ । त्यसैले तिनेरु अचेल ढोकाबाट छिरेर राजनीति गर्न छोडि झ्यालबाट छिरेर राजनीति गर्न थालेका छन । चुनाव सुनाव जित्नु छैन, तिकडमबाजि गर्दै पद हत्याउने खेलमा मस्त छन । तर तिनका यी अनैतिक हर्कतको एक एक हिसाव जनताले चुकाउने छन ।

 
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तिका:जी,


 


It goes both ways. अर्थात् माओवादीले जातीवादीहरुलाई आफ्नो स्वार्थको लागि उपयोग गरिरहेको मात्र होईन, जातीवादीहरुले पनि माओवादीलाई आफ्नो स्वार्थको लागि उपयोग गर्ने काम भईरहेको छ ।


माओवादीको साम्यवादी दलिय अधिनायकवाद र जातीवादीहरुको प्रादेशिक जातीय अधिनायकवाद एक बिन्दूमा पुगेर टकराउने त निश्चित छ ।


त्यो बिन्दूको बारेमा यी दुबै शक्ति अनभिज्ञ छैनन् । यत्ति हो, यी दुबै शक्तिहरु जब त्यो बिन्दू आईपुग्छ त्यसबेलामा एकले अर्कोलाई DOUBLE CROSS गरम्ला भन्ने दाउ थापेर एकसाथ अघि बढिरहेकाछन् ।


अबको प्रश्‍न भनेको कसले कसलाई DOUBLE CROSS गर्न सक्षम होला त ?


मेरो विचारमा, कुनै नाटकिय घटना बेगर अहिलेको स्थिति बढ्दै जाने हो भने अब नेपालमा DOUBLE CROSS होईन, TRIPLE वा QUADRUPLE CROSS हुने खालको बहुपक्षिय द्वन्द हुनेछ र विजेता कोही नहुने, केवल द्वन्द र हिंसाको तितो घाउ र खेर गएका अमूल्य वर्षहरुप्रति आमग्लानी बाँकी रहने अन्त्य देख्छु म ता ।


 


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सिधा  र घुमौरो प्रकार ले जतिबाद लाई समर्थन गरेर नेपाल मा कुनै प्रकार को समस्या समाधान हुँदैन। अनुमान को भर्मा बाद्बिबाअद गरेर कुनै काम नै छैन। मोही माग्ने धुङ्रो  लुकौने  गरेर के काम ? त्यो भन्दा त हामी जातिबदी हौ भन्ने हरु नै जाती। ईरान मा खुमेनी ले राजा को बिरूधा बिध्रोह गरे ( यहाँ मलाई राजतन्त्रको समर्थक को रूप मा नहेरियोस) कत्रो  जनसमर्थ देखिन्थ्यो। खुमेनी लाई स्वागत गर्न कत्रो  जनलहर थ्यो अहिले ईरान को के छ अवस्था ? बम र मिसैएल बनएर देस सक्तिसली हुने भये सोभियेत् संघ टुक्रिदैन थ्यो।
यो गर्‍यो भने राम्रो नत्र भने पख्लास भनेर देशमा शान्ती औछ भन्ने चै गजडी सपना मात्र हो। सुखद र शान्ता जिबन को लागि होइन कि एक जाती र भाषाको रीशमा खडा गर्ने हो भने कुनै पनि संघइयता काम लाग्दैन अनी गोर्खाका गुरुङ्हरु मनाङ जादा मरिनु पर्ने स्थिती आउँदैन होला र? तर नेपालमा धरतलिये एथार्थ एउटा हुन्छ, तथ्यान्क ले एउटा कुरा भनी राखेको हुन्छ तर सोघोसित विद्वान मित्रहरु अनुमान को भर्मा अनी कसैको रिशमा आफ्नो डम्फु बजैइ रहेको हुन्चन। एस्तो सोचै बाट देशमा शान्ती र बिकास भएको एउटा उदाहरण पाउन, हुन्न??

कुरा नबुझ्ने हरु ले त २०४६ मा बहुदल आएपछी देशको सबै सम्स्या समाधान हुन्छ भन्थेनी होइन? अहिले अर्को जमात आएको छ जातियता को आधारमा खडा गरिएको सँघियताले सबै समस्या को समाधान गर्छ भन्ने भ्रममा छन। बहुदल चलाऊन नजान्दा मावोबदि को जन्म भयो। कतै नभएको जातिबदी संघ चलाऊदा के हुने हो? त्यता तिर पनि सोच्नु पर्‍यो नि होइन?
पञ्चयतामा शाह र राणा ले खुब मोज गरे तेस्को रीशमा बहुदल आयो, तिन्का नेता ले खान सम्म घुस खाएए छोरा छोरी बिदेश पथाये। तिनिहरुले खाएको रीश मा मावोबदि र जातियताबदी आएकछन, जातियताबदी संघ खडा भएपछी तिन्का नेता ले पनि टन्न खालान, गरीब जनता त जहिले पनि गरीब नै,  अनी  तेस्ता गरीब जनता  लाई चतुर पक्छ्य  ले बन्दुक बोकायेर अरज्काता श्रीजना गर्न सजिलो हुन्छ। नत्र भने आर्थिक रुपान्तार को खाका पेश नागरिकन अनुमान को भर्मा राजनैतीक कुरा मात्र गर्नु आफुलाई नेता बनाउन खोज्नु मात्र हो भन्ने कुरा बिगत्का चतुर नेता हरुले देखएकै कुरा हो नि। के नयाँ भयो र? जाडो भयो  भन्दैमा घरको दलिन बालेर आगो  ताप्न त भएन नि।

 



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