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 Can there be meaning without GOD?

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Posted on 11-20-13 1:53 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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If there is no GOD, then man and the universe are doomed. Like prisoners condemned to death, we await our unavoidable execution. There is no GOD, and there is no immortality! And what is the consequence of this? It means that life itself is absurd. It means that the life we have is without ultimate significance, value, or purpose.
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I see that you quote a lot of things and generalize stuffs using superlatives. What is the basis of your claim that shepherders the "most" patient than other professions? Is it based on the number of hours they spend at work? The number of sheep they attend to? Is it based on the environment they have to operate? Or did you just feel that deep inside your heart as well? Why do you assume that other professions don't need as much patience? 
It's very easy to quote something. But unless you present some scientific proof or numerical data, your claim is just baloney. 
BTW there's no correlation on spending time on something stupid vs patience. For you it may mean the same thing but for others it just means that the BS is not worth spending time and effort. 
So next time I don't reply to your comment, don't assume that I didn't have enough patience to argue, I just don't see my time is worth replying to your baseless comments. 
I don't really care what path u follow that's your personal choice. If you are happy with that, then that's good for you. But I suggest before you make a superlative claim to a group of educated individuals, be ready to back it up with some real scientific evidence. Don't just copy paste and definitely don't post something that you feel inside your heart that may or may not be true for others. 

Posted on 12-03-13 9:24 AM     [Snapshot: 1845]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Fountaindew: You mentioned: "NepaliGuy1982, I see that you quote a lot of things and generalize stuffs using superlatives. What is the basis of your claim that shepherders the "most" patient than other professions?"

But you just mentioned one though

Anyways, it's all good. Let me try to talk about wisdom behind prophets bein a sheepherders. I do not have corelation but i will try my best to present facts.

1. Sheep are weak animals, and much weaker than cows and camels and need more protection and care.

2. We are affected by our surrounding environment and it leaves a lasting effect on our personality. Shepherds of sheep are different than shepherds of cows and camels. Shepherds are different than cowboys and cowboys differ from shepherds of camel. This is due to their raising of different animals which has an effect on their personality. Sheep are very compassionate, merciful and weak, so the shepherd learns to become kind and merciful toward them as they are fragile animals and one cannot be too harsh toward them. The Prophets of God learned how to become compassionate toward their followers. Camels on the other hand are very arrogant animals, and one cannot be soft with a camel as it will take advantage of you. The arrogance of the camel must be met with strength as opposed to kindness and compassion. Shepherds of camel are therefore very rough, tough and may be rude, which is learned via their environment.
Similarly, teachers have a different personality than doctors. Doctors tend to have a different personality than engineers. Engineers have a different personality than other skilled workers, etc.For example, being a teacher for many years, may tend to make one into a fatherly figure, as they constantly giving advice to the children they are teaching etc. This may tend to make them behave around and treat their peers in a similar fashion, eventhough they are outside the working environment, due to their constant work environment and therefore fashioning of their personality. Politicians who are constantly lying and deceptive due to their work, tend to behave in this manner outside of their working environment.
The Prophets, therefore, had their personality and behaviour fashioned through their environment of herding sheep, thus reflecting this personality and behaviour toward their followers.

3. Ibn Hajar is a classical scholar who wrote the most prominent commentary on Sahih al-Bukhari. Ibn Hajar was a scholar in the field of hadith, fiqh and aqidah. Ibn Hajar states, "The wisdom behind having the Prophets as shepherds before prophethood is that they may become skilled in herding a flock, as they will be responsible for their respective nations in the future. In herding, one attains forbearance and mercy, and endures patience, for when a shepherd is obliged to gather his flock and herd it from one area to another at once, knowing the traits of all, and all the while protecting from predators, he has thus attained the skills necessary to lead the nation and protect it from its enemies, both within and abroad." "Thus the Prophets learn patience when leading their people and attained an understanding of the different natures of people. They learned to show kindness to the weak, and resolve with the dominant. The reasons for which God chose the sheeps for the Prophets as opposed to the communal cows or camels, is that they are animals which are weak and need extra guidance and attention. Sheep are more difficult to maintain as a flock because of their propensity to go astray and wander away." "This is akin to human traits within a society and it is the divine wisdom of God to train these Prophets accordingly."

4. Teaching responsibility: The shepherd is responsible for his herd and usually looks after the flock of another, that is ,they are hired and must report to who has hired them. They hold responsiblity in this regard and the responsiblity of looking after the flock, even if the flock is at fault of its own actions, be it intelligent or otherwise. The shepherd holds full responsiblity and accountability over the herd.

5. Teaching patience: Taking sheep out to graze is a slow process, as sheep are quite slow and they take thier time and one must wait until the sheep are done. The sheep may fight with one another, they may play with one another, the shepherd must wait and be patient, as he is unable to communicate with them, eg, they must get a move on and stop what they are doing. The shepherd must simply wait for the sheep and continue being patient. Day in and day out the shepherd would leave in the morning and allow the sheep to graze and simply wait for them until they were done. This teaches patience and the Prophets (peace be upon them) required much patience during da'wah and conveying the message of tawheed and al-Islam. Moses (upon whom be peace) was a shepherd for 10 yrs when he worked for the old man in Madyan and married one of his daughters.

6. Teaching protection: The shepherd protects the herd. There are various seen or unseen dangers, wolves, other beasts, diseases, etc, all of which the shepherd must consistently make sure do not endanger the herd. The Prophets of God  are very protective of their people, and they try to protect their followers from physical and psychological dangers. An example of this protection - in Madinah, at night, suddently a commotion was heard and some of the friends of prophet immediately picked up their weapons and raced to the source of the sound. To their amazement, when they arrived, they found the Prophet  Muhammad was already on his way back, telling them that everything was fine. Eventhough the sahaabah were quick and swift in arriving at the source of the commotion, prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) was already there before them to protect someone from his nation. Prophet Muhammad has not left any danger that would inflict us without warning us about it as a means of protecting us.

7. Teaching detection of danger: Sheep have limited sight and can only see so far. A human who stands tall has a longer view and can see danger as it is approaching, as the herd cannot. The first to notice danger is the shepherd who can give an advanced warning to the herd.

The Prophets sense and detect dangers before they approach us. They have the clearest vision and the longest view, and a vantage point that none of us have. The Prophets know what is good for us, and Prophet Muhammad said, the analogy of me and you is like someone sitting next to a fire at night and you are attracted to it and jumping in it, while i am grabbing/pulling you from it, and you are trying to jump in.
Prophet Muhammad sees the danger, yet we do not. Prophet Muhammad knows it is fire, yet we do not. The Prophet is inviting the people paradise, yet we are forcing themselves toward the Hell-Fire. The shepherd sees the danger and warns the herd, just as the Prophets see the danger and warn their followers. At times the shepherd may hit the sheep in order to give a clear and quick warning and ward off its current path away from the danger. There is no time for a nice and slow convincing manner to this approach when the danger is so near. Similarly, the Prophets at times would appear harsh in their words, as they cared about their followers and wanted to move them away from the ever close dangers.

8. Teaching simplicity: A shepherd is living a very simple life and cannot take all of his accessories with him to the desert. A shepherd can only carry with him some basic needs in the desert whilst doing his job, no matter how rich the shepherd may be. A shepherd will eat very simple food and have quite simple and basic accommodation. A shepherd will also become accustomed to the different environments encountered when feeding the animals, such as the cold or heat of the weather, rain, wind, etc. A shepherd must be deal with all of these situations and will be the last to take cover, after taking care of the herd.

9. Teaching closeness to the creation of God: Shepherding pulls you out of the artificial world and brings you close to nature. Living in an artificial world goes against our natural disposition, as we were created from this earth and are a part of nature. Being too far from nature results in less contemplation of the creation of God. The Quran makes many references to the creation of God such as the sun, moon, stars, heavens, mountains, rivers, oceans and plants etc. God draws our attention to His creation, as they mirror His abilities and attributes.To learn about the greatness, knowledge, wisdom and abilities of God, one only needs to look around at what He has created. A shepherd spends much of his time close to nature, which gives him an opportunity to contemplate about nature, and the Prophets of God took advantage of this time to think and reflect about the creation around them.

I hope i answered your question.

your brother in humanity

Posted on 12-03-13 9:44 AM     [Snapshot: 1859]     Reply [Subscribe]
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damn... all these niggas back to turtling ...
check this out(someone has already posted it on sajha, it's great), now calm the f down..

Posted on 12-03-13 10:02 AM     [Snapshot: 1864]     Reply [Subscribe]
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I have watched videos of Carl Sagan. Matter of fact, i am open to different ideas too. Athesim does not have anything to offer. Atheism do not have any future.

Children are "born believers" in God and do not simply acquire religious beliefs through indoctrination, according to an academic.



"Still, even the most admirable of atheists is nothing more than a moral parasite, living his life based on borrowed ethics. This is why, when pressed, the atheist will often attempt to hide his lack of conviction in his own beliefs behind some poorly formulated utilitarianism, or argue that he acts out of altruistic self-interest. But this is only post-facto rationalization, not reason or rational behavior." [Vox Day]     

Posted on 12-03-13 12:11 PM     [Snapshot: 1879]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Awesome video Paul. Loved it. Keep up the good work. I agree with you: "Atheism has no future. It has nothing to offer" There are more believers in the world than disbelievers. Whether you are Hindu, Christian, Buddhist, Jew or Muslim you have a diety. You may have differences between who is the diety and how the world was created but you all agree there was a Creator.
Atheists on the other hand believe this universe was an accident, are you kidding me? Good joke my atheist friends.
Nothing does not create something by an accident.
Posted on 12-04-13 6:25 PM     [Snapshot: 1960]     Reply [Subscribe]
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LOL @ paulsmith aka newguy aka nepaliguy

I still believe in science and not god no matter how much you preach in here....if there was no science and god created world u would still be in the stone age walking naked turi samatdai yesto jado ma.....you came to know about god either thru books, tv, radio or internet and its all science...

aba hindu ko krishna playboy and hamro shivaji gajedi, uta muhammed manche marna bahek aru kehin jandaina ani jesus garib desko janatalai paisa khuwayera religion change garna ma busy....so who god ur u talking about and which god created this universe - Om, allah or amen???

Spell GOD the opposite way and start praying him...

Posted on 12-04-13 9:55 PM     [Snapshot: 2011]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Judaism, Christianity, Islam are all the same bullshit

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ISLAM will Collapse in 10 Years : Ex-Muslim

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Posted on 12-06-13 3:23 AM     [Snapshot: 2137]     Reply [Subscribe]
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ha ha.. children are born believers re..children believes that santa clause will be jumping down the chimney in few weeks to leave them a present and to eat milk and cookie they leave neat their christmas tree.. that doesn't make santa any more real does it?
Posted on 12-07-13 10:08 PM     [Snapshot: 2214]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Those beliefs are installed on children. But belief in God is already auto-installed when they come from mother wombs. May i know how do you anser that?
Posted on 12-08-13 5:47 AM     [Snapshot: 2251]     Reply [Subscribe]
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installed as in brainwashed.. they are told to fear the unknown.. they are told to be good and do good not because it's morally right, rather to not anger the might one.. you claim belief in god is auto-installed.. what are you basing that information on? is there a sticker that comes with a baby saying "faith in jesus installed" or "hindu inside"  just like a sticker in new laptop that says windows 8 installed? and since you haven't asked any question that actually makes sense.. so I don't know what to answer and how to answer..
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there's sth going on pokhara these days...as a pokhara basi I am concerned but look at these people...I mean seriously does these things happen on 21st century....this is to the people who believes in GOD....does GOD take a revenge???.....LMAO....if yes then he can kiss my ass anyday....


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As a Science student I believe with Geologist Rimal and not Nag devata or wateva u call....la guys who believe in GOD ask ur god to stop it..... LMAO


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@OP...you are the most hypocrite I have ever seen preaching here about GOD. You are the one who converted to Muslim from Hindu and you are preaching about GOD. is it because u got tired of  Hindu God and want to see what muslim God is like....LMAO....I rest my case here....

P.S. I aint trying to hurt sentiments of the people who believe in GOD but OP for preaching about GOD when he himself is confused which religion he belongs to and talking shit about atheist.

Posted on 12-08-13 6:20 PM     [Snapshot: 2341]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Glordano: I watched the video and could not stop laughing.

I hope you will find this debate interesting. Let me what you think:


Appreciate in advance for watching.
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Here is a very good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMWijw1dJh0
Posted on 02-23-14 7:55 AM     [Snapshot: 3326]     Reply [Subscribe]
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An atheist is a man who believes himself an accident.
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A lottery winner does not consider it an accident. He calls himself lucky. An athiest does not believe himself an accident. He believes in chances.

Trust a religious fanatic to try to twist reality to fit his own dwindling sense of understanding reality.
Posted on 07-25-14 3:30 AM     [Snapshot: 5090]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Can there be meaning without God? No

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