Will  Prachanda prove to be another opportunistic politician and tone down his stance by refering to Gyane as "hazur". This is one of the times I am happy we have such fu'd up language with multiple forms of 'you'. I am reallyyy looking forward to this. I hope Prachanda addresses the king as tapai or timi. Haha poor Gyane is used to saying 'timi' to everyone. Will he bow down to the supreme leader and address him as 'tapai' or 'hazur'.



2. Nullification of old treaties with India
The maoists have demanded the previous governments to nullify old treaties with india. Will they even bring it up now that they are the majority? If not, only show their opportunistic mentality.

feel free to add more I am sure there are more things to look forward to

Prachanda's meeting with Gyane will be nothing but a request (thru mutual understanding) to step down. Prachanda will tell (but sounds like a request) Gyane to step down "gracefully" so they don't have to impose any kind of force and Gyane will have no choice but to do so.

(This came from a very "reliable" source.)

Maddog i know quite a few people and families who think people who say bhaat instead of bhuja is low class and pakhey. Thats the kind of people i have a problem with and they are using language segregation to filfil their need to feel superior. When the maoists decided that the royals were acting too superior and wannabe divine, they didnt feel inferior- they just wanted to show that the royals were not superior by any means. So dont wallow in your self conceived superiority by calling others inferior.

good, bad or alternative? this hajur/ tapai issue is taking a new form of idiocy in this thread. we are mercilessly attacking each other’s language choices as if the survival or the hope of new Nepal hangs in this language balance. few factors have been largely ignored in much of this debate. there are few aesthetic parameters to this layered language system; it’s a culture to some people and no one has the right to invade it. however, it definitely has some psyche in the whole society. all together, Palace cannot be considered as the dean of this whole language couture. the willingness of so called commoners to bring it into their family and follow generation after generation, is completely voluntary. so far, there is no instance of force or coercion observed in this regard. it was and is always the people’s choice.

besides, this is just the slim segment of segregation we are focusing on, ignoring rest of the other urgently required reforms. we all have participated and have different roles in caste and class systems in the country, be it supportive or critical, involved or removed.  why don’t we denounce our family names and embrace fully our first names which are always overshadowed by their second halves? this could be the first step towards the anti-caste system. let's be regular Ram, Shyam instead of Ram Karki or Shyam Sharki. that would contribute a lot in molding the new society.

our main concern should be five or six years away from now.here is one perspective: we have the opportunity to do anything as the first generation immigrant, and everything from us is acceptable.the language barrier is diffusing slowly with the rise of the middle class in the society. the classes are gradually coming together and the caste system is crossing boundaries. this will surely result in something more sanitized in terms of language and society. may be “hajur” will be followed by more less complicated verbs like “garnus” etc.

Yes, change definitely is on the way.  And, it’s time we wrap up this discussion neatly.

Bhaley, Its just a language and a form of respect and its been going on for generations.  Agreed on your point that for those who've tried to emulate the Royals, they ain't nothing but pozays.  But for those who've indeed lived their entire lives in Royalty or with them speaking in that tone and manner, I really don’t think they should stop using the dialect they've been using since time immemorial.  Their forefathers used it and so can they.  Its those who try to do it in this life-time who oughtta be shot point blank for trying to pose as something you're not.  And as you point out about Prachanday, that guy is a goddamn hypocrite and a jack-azz.  Why even take him seriously?  Just the fact that he is a communist living a capitalist play-boy's lifestyle, shows how low his level of thinking is.  Just let the damn fool bask in his glory for the time being as beating Gyane even more is futile than ever, bro.

Samsara et al

There are quite a few people and families who think people who say bhaat instead of bhuja is low class and pakhey. Thats the kind of people i have a problem with.

Thats all!

We use Bhaat Bhuja ....RICE whatever MAN whatsyour problem..........Ill speak anyform fo language I want and Will continue.................Just because some people consider them selves superior and uses that language and imposes it on others ...........doesnt mean Everyone does it. I dont go to my friends house where TAPAI is the respect and start using GARIBAKSYOS to show my superriority. I do it to my DAD, MOM and anyone who is older in our whole family circle.  I know what your problem is..............YOU FEEL INFERRIOR........................................just dont feel like that...........why do you feeel like that......????I know rest of nepal doesnt speak like that but all dialects has straight language and the respecting form.....SO DOES NEPALI.....................you dont have to tell me about who uses it ....how to use it..where to use it OR NOT TO USE IT ALL............because we will............and guess what.......I am a Mixed..... Thakuri and cheettry baun and Bhote(Lama)..........ANd we use this form of Language..where as all my relatives in Boudha .....speaks plain Tapai language......VS family in my Thakuri and chettey baun speak HAJUR........and guess what I am married to A Newar......of Jyapu caste.........And when I visit her family.....most even dont speak Neplali and I am learning Newar to impress them......MY family had no problem with our relation In fact.....three of my Thakuri cousins of RANA origins are married to Newars too and a couple of my cousins are married to Sherpa. Tibbetans and Gurung with no PROBLEM.and ONE of my relative is married to a THARU.......(still accepted. in the family)..we have a grand Dashain and great family parties............LANGUAGES LIKE TA ...TIMI< TAPAI HAJUR ARE THROWN ALL OVER without any hard feelings..everyone uses what is comfortable .....PEOPLE LIKE YOU CREATE PROBLEMS OF CASTE AND INFERIORITY......WE HAVE ONE UNIQUE FAMILY...........

MadDogg it humors me to see you barking here. You have posted for monarchy in many threads so it is not surprising that you want to protect the honor of your feudalistic lord and his ass kissin language. You have an innate inferiority complex that makes you wanna adore and kiss others asses. It shows by your constant tendency and need to be a royal chamcha. So let's not go around calling others inferior etc.

It's fine to use such language as long as you don't think that it makes you superior to others who don't use it. That's my point. Don't go ballastic on me now.

"There are quite a few people and families who think people who say bhaat instead of bhuja is low class and pakhey. Thats the kind of people i have a problem with."

Bhaley, amen to that!  Agreed 100% and if I see such people do that to me (since I say khana or bhaat), there'd be mucho damage to their skull and ego.  However, blaming Gyane for this is not the solution as hypocrites like Prachanday are the ones who I see at fault here.  After mercilessly killing 15K people, its a pity that he brings about this farce of trynna act like he still reveres and has admiration for the very cause his war (or his people's war) began.  BTW, in a society that is so deeply rooted within a class-heirarchy, it is only natural that the ones in the lower classes will emulate the ones above...Basic reasoning applies here.  Blame the Brahmanas of yore (today's bahuns have NO hand in this so there is no need for any hate) who took advantage of the whole situation by creating the Manusmriti and opressing the shudras and the non-jaats for centuries putting all blame on the monarch.

Lines from the Manusmriti:

Shudras are not allowed to own any property or livestock.  Whatever a Shudra owns is to be forcibly taken by the Brahman.

Even an old kshatriya must pay respect to the new-bron brahman as the brahman was created out of the Lord's mouth.

Even if a Shudra mistakenly hears the veds, molten lead should be poured into his ears.

If a Shudra recites the vedas, his tongue should be cut off.

If a shudra has mastered the vedas, his body is to be cut into pieces.

Samsara

I agree with you on most of the things and I have felt the same way about maoists like you do. If I was given a choice between the murdering extortionists and the king, I would have chosen the less worse being the king because for me people who don't value human lives should not be trusted with politics that could govern the fate of the entire nation!

Having said that, my lack of belief in the Maoists was challanged by my belief in democracy. In this election, I believe that the Maoist have won fairly. Obviously there are few places where they used scare tactics, but on the whole their victory, along with the fact that they even captured most seats from the valley, shows clearly that Maoists are the clear choise of the Nepali people. As in any democratic election, there are oppositions, but once the votes have spoken, it is the duty of any patriot who believes in democracy to support a democratically elected goverment and work with them for the development of the country.

Granted they had used doubtful means as in the killings in the past, but in thinking about it in the current framework, it may actually be a good choice for Nepal. We have seen how the country has plummetted under the Kings rule and the rule of the 7 party alliance. The situation has always grown from bad to worse without any hope of anything different. With the new Maoists ruling the government there is a certain chance and possibility that something good may come out of it.

Of course, we cannot forget the fact that part of the reason of King / 7 party alliance's failure was due to the Maoist insurgency as well.

All in all, the people of Nepal have spoken in the election, and they have chosen the Maoists to represent them. I think it would be undemocratic of us to still question the election and the will of the people. The maoists could have forced votes in few places, but not in places like the capital, which forces me to believe that a majority of Nepalis want them. So being a patriotic and democracy loving citizen, we have to support the the voice of the majority, yet provide a good source of opposition to questionable tactics along the way.

Read your words bro .......and read MINE.............I have explained many times over that ITS JUST A FREAKIN LANGUAGE...........AND I DO agree that some people have missused it..............and still are. There is no doubt bro. BUT for many its just another form of formality used within the family. OUR culture is to blame to create this barrior that this is a language spoken by the so called " UPPER CLASS" which I might be a part of.......BUT all people in that category arent bad and corrupt or feel they own everything......If you read me post.....OUR family accepted marriages from all castes with no problem......Most of our famlily beliefs and ways of are thinking very modern and believe that this caste system is WRONG...I believe that it is the worst thing to degrade another human being through class and caste and no longer should be practiced. BUT language spoken within families shouldnt be of anyones business to call it BAD because you dont speak it........do I mind if you dont know how to speak it NO.....I dont care........so as much as I agree with you that the CASTE SYSTEM SHOULD BE BANNED..............our language is just a form like any language. Thats all.........................we like others are still Nepalese and will always be.....SO together we can Ban this caste system and embrace everyone as NEPALESE.