Posted by: pine77 October 4, 2004
Quran on non-Muslims
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Dear Maximum Jee, Namaste and good wishes. Thanks for your response. However, you deliberately or otherwise missed my point and mis-quoted me. You do not have to agree with me and your criticisms are welcome. However, please do not mis-state me. Let me illustrate by commenting on your response. �� Your post reinforces my point. The rebels used relgion to justify the killings. Now, we can either try to scrutinize the situation and try to see wha the REAL reason behind those killings is or we can just listen to what these terrorists say and believe them. I, for one, would do the former�.� No, my posting does not reinforce your point. Matter of fact it is opposite. I agree with you and let us scrutinize the situation and see what the real reasons behind those killings are. I am incapable of going inside the brain of the terrorists. All I can do is look at the facts in the ground and make the best guess. The facts in the ground are: Quran does ask muslims to kill infidels. I have given quotes from Quran. The terrorist states that they killed Nepalese laborers because they are the worshippers of Buddha. I have also given their statement. There is a long history of Muslims attacking kafirs because of the Islamic religious requirement of the Jehad. You may read it in any standard history book. You are saying that the terrorists have other motives and using Islam as the pretext. What motives that might be? I like to know how you came to that conclusion. What facts and logic are you basing your opinion on? If I understand you correctly, you are saying that those terrorists are merely trying to scare westerners by murdering poor defenseless Nepalese. This is purely conjecture in your part; and you do ignore what actually they state. Do not you? �� The analogy with the crazy Christian Crusades is very apt in this context. You are trying to claim that Islam and Islam only, is inherently polluted and drives people towards killing. My point is, don't blame the religion, blame the people. And don't make the mistake of hating the whole religion because some are able to justify their heinous crimes using religion. Those crusaders justified those massacres using the bible and at the same time there are millions of missionaries around the world that are devoted to social service and they too believe that they are following the bible. the take home message being, don't hate the religion, blame the misinterpretations �.� No, the analogy is not correct. I have given the quotes from Quran against infidels. Please back up your statement by giving passages from Bible where non-Christians are to be attacked. I am against Crusade. It is the result of mainly following three factors: 1. Christianity�s delusion of being the one and only true religion, 2. Islamic aggression against Christian world, and 3. availability of ignorant European masses who can be led to war with inducement of free salvation and loot. However, the Christianity or Bible itself does not preach war. Islam does. Even if Christianity preaches hate, it does not make Islam good. It merely makes both religions bad. So what is your point? By the way, the missionaries are not doing social service for its own goodness sake. They are not Scout or Red-Cross members. They are using social service as inducement toward conversion. Therefore their basic motivation is not pure. You may read the Oath taken by Jesuit priest. It is shocking to say the least. It is available in web site. If you have problem finding it, let me know. I will send you a copy. I am not preaching hate against any body or any religion. Where did I write so? However, I am for critical thinking and cool analysis of the facts. If you have not read Quran, perhaps you should. If you think I have posted those offensive passages wrongly or out of context, please do correct me. Given the facts I know of, I do conclude that Islam does teach attacking non-Muslims. And matter of fact I do not blame people. As I wrote before, my concern is not about blaming any body but to analyze the motivation. Because the individual Muslims are random factors and the Islamic political agenda is a constant factor. I would rather reflect upon the constant and over riding factor than chase randoms. Let me give you an example. German people are one of most productive people in the world. Their contribution in art, science, technology and philosophy are well known. However, the Germany started second world war and millions of people died. Do I say Germans are bad people? Will that serve any purpose? I think not. However, I do criticize the ideology of the Aryan racial superiority and will fight against it. Same here. (CONTINUED)
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